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PostPosted: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 3:31am 
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-former Herbert owner, I'm thinking I need a DIEZEL, but I want some less refined, gritty,


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Out of the hagen is more raw than your herbert as is fokker and dmoll however all are pretty refined comparative to say a marshall.

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sg guy wrote:
-former Herbert owner, I'm thinking I need a DIEZEL, but I want some less refined, gritty,


I agree. When I think of Diezel raw and unpolished are certainly not the adjectives that come to mind! :D I have had the VH4 , Herbert, Dmoll and currently the Hagen. I think all Diezels are a very refined tone. IMHO.


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I think there are two things that set the Diezel sound apart:
The mids are very soft and the bass is compressed, which makes for easy recording when playing palm mutes. Quite the opposite of raw.
When using a 6505, you have to compress between 150 and 250 Hz to get the bass under control in the mix.
The presence control starts quite low, so if you turn up presence on a Diezel, you get more high mids, but that is not what a Diezel is supposed to sound like.

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Based on popular opinion of the words "raw and unpolished" I'd recommend the Paul or Big Max. Otherwise, buy a Wizard. They are about as open and raw sounding as an amp gets. Or an old Marshall SL Plexi.

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Maybe Einstein in Texas mode (Mode 2 Channel 1)

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I have a VH4 and a Hagen and had an Einstein in the past, in my opinion all these amps can sound quite raw. The thing is that most of the folks scoop the mids too much and use high output pickups, in that scenario they are not so raw sounding. With a good amount of mids dialed in and medium/low output pickups one can get a raw sound out of these amps without problems. In fact this is why I really like these amps cause they can sound more polished or more raw depending on the pickups, eq, and cab. IMHO


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ProgFree wrote:
I have a VH4 and a Hagen and had an Einstein in the past, in my opinion all these amps can sound quite raw. The thing is that most of the folks scoop the mids too much and use high output pickups, in that scenario they are not so raw sounding. With a good amount of mids dialed in and medium/low output pickups one can get a raw sound out of these amps without problems. In fact this is why I really like these amps cause they can sound more polished or more raw depending on the pickups, eq, and cab. IMHO

I agree to an extent but they'll still never get as raw or organic as something like the old mark series boogies or older marshalls no matter what you do even with more mids and lower output pickups (which is what I do). If you're picky about getting a very raw sound (like me) then diezels wont satisfy you. That being said, I'm still very interested in trying a Paul and Big Maxx.

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