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Last Update: 22 June 09 [b]EG5 B/HBE B doubled metal rhythm http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 32207&q=hi

Egnater Clip Collective

Here is an collection of clips an live video of the Egnater modular series I have put together for folks going module browsing. When making these clips, the modules are either in a MOD 50 head, or in an M4 preamp/VHT 2-50-2. Posted in order of chill to aggressive:

Unaccompanied clips:

T/D Ch A chicken pickin’ http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 56463&q=hi

Twin/Deluxe Ch A (with Gretsch 6120) http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 87653&q=hi

Twin/Deluxe Ch B (my EB MM Morse clean tone cocktail with RMC piezo, FX and synth) http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 70450&q=hi

VOX Ch A Petty-ish http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 56486&q=hi

VOX Ch B Funky Who-ish http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 56505&q=hi

VOX Ch A (with Tonefreak prototype tremolo) http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 86854&q=hi

SL Channel A http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 60124&q=hi

SL Channel B http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 60146&q=hi

EG5 B/HBE B doubled metal rhythm http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 32207&q=hi

All my guitars and Jerry Goodman's electric violin on this sampler are though Egnaters: http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 82865&q=hi

John, very cool!

Jeff, should we make this thread sticky? It might help would-be Eg-heads easily find the tone they are looking for!

Done

You know what you have to do now John

Cool, Jeff! See you in a few days!



Actually, no, what could that be?

More of those great sounding clips.

Ok, here’s one more: my favorite clean tone cocktail recipe

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 70450&q=hi

Here is the guitar group solo’ed from the title track from the upcoming West ZooOpolis album with Marco Minnemann.

Cocktail Recipe:

Amp: live composite of the Egnater Twin/Deluxe preamp in a MOD 50 cranked up on the full power mode until it is getting a little spongy.

To the left is a little of the piezo signal from the RMC hexaphonic bridge in my EB MM Morse.

Wet FX include a little Fulltone CF-1 and Eclipse delay.

Synth: Lastly in the composite cocktail is a little Kurzweil resorgan to the right triggered from an AXON AX 100 and the RMC hex pickups.

Skake and serve!

A true artist man!Your sounds are a true inspiration John!I've been trying to get the wife out and come down to see you live.If you get a chance to post some times and dates that would be GREAT!I'll try and get rid of the kids for the night

Orren!


Please add some of your great sounding clips to the mix

Ya Orren!

Love the idea of the "clip collective"... I'm shooting to have several tracks done by the end of the weekend featuring the M4 (modules TBD) and possibly JTM45 head. Although I've had both the M4 and JTM45 for over a year, I guess it's been even longer than that since I embarked on a major recording project. (Though I will say the last amp I recorded with was a Rocktron Vendetta, and it delivered excellent results: http://www.necessarydistraction.com/ )

--B

Ok, here's the first track, working some of the lower-gain modules... still needs a few tweaks to the mix, but you get the basic idea:

http://studio.depalma-duersch.com/turnandrun.mp3

For the record, here's what you're hearing:
- L rhythm: G&L ASAT through the Deluxe side of the T/D, Lexicon plate reverb added through Sonar
- R rhythm: G&L Legacy through the B side of the VX, Lexicon plate reverb added through Sonar
- solo (1:38) + fills: PRS McCarty Soapbar through the B side of the SL, Sonitus delay added through Sonar
- vocals: my wife
- bass: G&L Tribute L2500, direct
- drums: Drums on Demand, of course
- signal chain: guitars --> front of M4 --> VHT2/50/2 (class A) --> Randall 4x12 w/ V30's --> double mic'd with Cascade Fat Head ribbon + Blue "The Ball" dynamic mics --> Presonus Digimax FS.

(Side note... this has got to be the most playing I've ever done without a humbucker anywhere)

--B

B, I DIG that!!! Awesome playing and tones. Kudos to your wife too man. Shes got some great pipes.

<ElvisModeOn>Thank you, thank you very much.</ElvisModeOff> Funny thing about that tune... my wife and I wrote it about a year ago when we were putting together a blues band. Turns out, that song is exactly all the blues I had in me (obviously not much, 'cause you can tell I gave up on the blues by the time the solo came around). We dropped the blues gig, put together a hard rock band, and have been marginally more productive ever since.

--B

Well, this took longer than expected... I thought I'd get 4-5 tracks done this weekend, but I spent so much time fiddling with the stupid drum loops that I only got 2 tracks done. Anyway, here's an excerpt from the second tune (the full-length track will be posted once the vocals are recorded), a little bit harder than the first number:

http://studio.depalma-duersch.com/gibraltar.mp3

Here's the breakdown:
- L rhythm (dist): PRS McCarty through B side of the SL, Lexicon chamber reverb added through Sonar
- L rhythm (clean): PRS McCarty through the Twin side of the T/D, Carl Martin compression + Glass Nexus reverb out front
- R rhythm: PRS McCarty through the A side of the E-RECT
- solo (1:51): Voodoo Guitar Works custom archtop through the A side of the EG3, Sonitus delay added through Sonar
(Bass, drums, guitar signal chain are same as the first track.)

Interesting to note that I'm playing the whole right rhythm track (E-RECT) using the split coil position on the McCarty... yet it's almost got a Vox chime to it.

--B

John:

Great playing and tone When you play live what speaker cabs do you use? I couldn't see them in the video.

Thanks,

Recently, I've ditched my old 4x12s for 2 Ear Candy Buzzbombs, but I am thinking about picking up an Egnater 4x12 and 2 of the 1x12s after playing through them all NAMM. More gear...

John, first...your playing and tone is amazing. Bravo!

Second, why ditch the EarCandy cabs? They are amazing? I use one BB with Sugar Cones as my be all end all 212 cab. I hate hauling 412s cabs.

Cause the "EGGIES ROCK"

I'm not planning to ditch them. I would simply like to have some more options! I pretty convinced after hearing the 1x12 at NAMM that it is superior to all the other 1x12s I've ever played.

John, overall how do you think the Eggie cabs compare to the Ear Candy cabs? I ask because i have the Buzzbomb but would consider an Eggie, but I would probably get speakerleass because the Sugar Cones are so darn amazing. Sure, they cost $250 a piece but wow.

Do you know the dimensions? I wouldn't mind an EGgie 112 and 212. One thing I think I would like about the Eggie 212 is it is tall like the VHT Deliverance cab I saw. Somtimes a taller cab can give a bigger, more resonant tone even compared to a really deep cab like the Rectifier or Buzzbomb. I just can't afford it now nor justify it since I have an Ear Candy Buzzbomb and Boa.

I hear you on the last one! I don't have the Egnater cabs yet, so I really can't give you a meaningful comparison. Don't they have the weights and dimensions on the website? If not, those dudes are lagging! Anyway, I guess a cab should be viewed according to how it sounds/disperses/mics on stage/studio/bedroom. I like how the Earcandy Buzzbomb performs in all these combinations, but I was most impressed at how well the Egnater 1x12 dispersed, sounded, and at low NAMM levels in a very noisy environment. I'm thinking that due to it's increased size, the Egnater 2x12 may sound a little bigger than the Earcandy Buzzbomb, but I just don't know for certain.

Hi John, I liked the Buzz a lot at rehearsal, studio work and jamming/gigs, etc. I heard it from the audience and thought it sounded, full, thick and robust with the Egnater MOD 50. I like that it is smaller and easy to transport. Then I have the Ear Candy Boa as well for home and something different.

However, the Egnater 212 would be interesting as long as it isn't quite as large as a 412, is it? It would be a bit lighter due to less speakers....but still. The 112 looks interesting though!

I jammed with a guy who ran a Marshall 412 next to the Buzz and I had a harder time keeping up but I thnk a number of things happened. I was using the MHG and I think it lacks cut next to a Marshall and I had 5881 tubes which lack mids next to a Marshall. A different module and EL34s should make a different.

You will only need the Eg5..not need to change the tubes also!

The MHG is going out tomorrow! I am changing tubes because I hate 6L6s and 5881s remind me too much of those tubes. I couldn't even stand the E34Ls by JJ because they as well had more bass and highs, like a 6L6s. Back go the EL34s.

There isn't a El-34 tube you could pay me to use. Miles who does work for GT told us he cant even recommend a durable El-34 tube. They are horrible in terms of durability right now. Hopefully the "relablers" will make some good one's in the near future. Like I have said before Sovtek 5881 are hands down the most durable tube on the market...for say the last 20 years.

I hear ya Jeff, but tone and feel are king for me...not durability. I can not get on with the 5881s one bit. I hate 6L6 tubes so I have no choice but to use EL34s and I am happy. Feel and sound better for me...
Never had a problem with my JJs.

Great Sound. Egnater Amps got it nailed down. Sound that is.

Nice work Bruce

Hey John--
Love your clips man--thanks for posting!!

Would you mind sharing some of your settings?

I'm especially interested in the T/D, SL2 and EG5 modules.

Thanks again!

Thanks! Here are the clock positions listed in this order: A gain, B gain, Bass, Middle, Treble, A Master, B Master, Bass Boost, Bright.

T/D: 1, 11, 10, 2, 2, 1, full, 1, 2

SL2: 3, 12, 11, 1, 12, 11, 11:30, 1, 2

EG5: 12, 11, 12:30, 11:30, 11:30, 11, 11, 1, 0

Power amp settings really vary with situation. In the studio right now, I have the modules in the M4 hitting the power sections of the MOD 50s - one with 5881 for T/D, VOX, COD and the other with EL f(*&ing 34s for Marshall country! Master is cranked, low power setting, stepping gain down with master on M4) I have found that I don't like what power attenuators do the feel.

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 18827&q=hi

Hey guys,

Here's a rough draft of a tune I'm working on - trying to get ready to re-record with the band soon. Although some of the playing...blah, blah, blah...cough, cough, cough...etc., I think it shows some nice tones you can carve out of the SL2. If you like rock (duh), you pretty much should at least consider this module. A bit rounder and warmer than the EG5 with more percussiveness.

Hey Jeff-

What about creating a "sticky" thread that everyone could post their settings for all their modules?

Just a thought...

Thanks!

Thanks for the settings tips John. I wish I could use different power amps. With the MOD 50 I have to settle on either 5881s ot EL34s. Unfortunately it is hard to get away from the Marshall flavor of EL34s. I like most of my gainy tones going through EL4s but the cleans suffer a wee bit, not bad though. I actualy was getting good cleans live with the EL34s but with the BMan I need to have the channel volume cranked!

No problem man, I actually started recording some low gain clips today on the EL34s and then switched to the head with 5881s cause it was just better for these, but when I get to the Marshally meat-eater stuff, I'll probably go back to eth EL34s. We'll see.

Here are some new low-medium gain clips for the Egnater clip collection. No frills here - just some good old fun and tones.

Egnater TD Ch A chicken pickin’

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 56463&q=hi

Egnater VOX Ch A Petty-ish clip

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 56486&q=hi

Egnater VOX Ch B Funky Who-ish clip

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 56505&q=hi

John,

This is really a great thing that you've done here. I listen to this stuff everyday. Fantastic tones and playing. The video of your band is great too, you make a lot of music for just three guys. You can go seamlessly between rhythm and lead just like Morse. And the way you bridge and mute with your right hand looks exactly like Morse too. Did that happen naturally? It works - everything is very clean. Thanks again.

Thanks, hope it helps. Ya, I've spent lots of time learning Steve's material. Steve, EJ, Henderson, etc. are my big influences.

Added 2 new clips:

Egnater SL Channel A Kahanek-ish clip

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 60124&q=hi

Egnater SL Channel B Angus-esque clip

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 60146&q=hi

I think that was the final straw

John,

Which higher gain module cuts the best for you in a live situation when playing rhythm?

And which one does it best for lead?

I want to buy something higher gain then my SL2 but I don't want something too dark. I like the presence and sizzle of the SL2 but with more gain. Thanks.

Erect, EG3 are killer but haven't used EG5 live yet. I'm sure it will be great. SL2 cuts like a mutha too. I would like the SL2 A to be brightened up a bit more for rhythm as I generally want ryhthm (A) brighter and punchier with the lead (B) smokier and more compressed with a fairly similar gain and identical EQ setting. This is if I'm using the A and B for rhythm and lead - respectively.

Im not John, but Ill chime in.

From what my ears tell me, E-Rect doesnt have more gain than SL2. EG5 definitely has the most gain. Channel A of EG5 is basically like Channel B of any other high gain module it sounds to me. Its a monster.

EG5 is my favorite though for the variety of tones available by changing pickups and backing off the volume. That module is f***ing beautiful. I mean that seriously. It goes from playful to complete destruction dependings on picking dynamics, pickup, guitar volume. Amazing. Sorry Im rambling.

Thanks John for the reply. That's true about the SL2. I always want more treble for rhythm. If I add it to taste then the B channel has too much.

I just don't want a lead module that sounds like the Mesa Mark IV that I already have. It's lead tone is very focused and smokey, but to my taste it lacks teeth - no sizzle. That's why I basically want something like the SL2, but with more gain.

And Matt - thanks for chiming in, the EG5 is very high on my list. Maybe the top.

Ahh memories.... I miss my TOL 100 .

Sounds nice!

Play it huff!

I agree, it can do sooooooooooooooo much....classic tones to metal by controlling the gain and/or guitar's volume, etc.

I am hunting for my second module though.....

The EG5 clips sound pretty friggin sweet!!

I still have yet to hear the EG5, let alone any Egnater MOD 50 modules throwing down some high gain metal tones. I've heard clips of the "seminar" head tearing it up but nothing on the MOD 50. Would anyone be willing to post some clips of the top three higher gain modules doing some Mettalica-esque riffs? Think "Constant Motion" by Dream Theater. That's the sound I'm going for.

I guess I must be one of the few prospective-Egnater customers who will be using it more for metal or heavier progressive rock.

For Constant Motion Id recommend double tracking the E-Rect and EG5. Or wait for the Super COD. E-Rect and EG5 will both do metal. Its just a preference. What do you think sounds better? Dual Rectifier or SLO? If DR, pick E-Rect. If SLO, pick EG5.