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Ok so I sold the Mesa and pulled the trigger on a AX8. I'll be running it with a peavey 60 watts poweramp not sure on the cab yet. Any tips would be appreciated thanks.
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Hey man congrats. Awesome, Awesome piece of gear.

My advise, ditch the power amp and get a true FRFR powered monitor.

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See...just the opposite here. Keep the power amp and cab. To me, it just sounds "right". IR/FRFR are fun and all that, but it just doesn't give me the same feel.

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To each their own, but I've tried just about every route. I currently use the Mission Engineering Gimini 2 and it is an amazing setup to me. Using the IR's of various cabs is worth it to me, the Ohnhammer stuff and the cab packs on the fractal site are amazing. With the Axe, I would definitely recommend trying the FRFR route.

The Gimini 2 is a 2x12 powered FRFR cab. It is powerful enough and large enough to have that "in the room" sound and feel of an amp and cab. It is pricey though....but there are a lot of good ones out there.

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Welcome to the dark side. I've been gigging with mine almost a year now and I'm never going back. I went power amp and cab initially thinking I wouldn't gel with FRFR but I was wrong. I still have my Matrix amp in case I want to go amp and cab but I'm good with my FRFR setups. Friedman ASM-12 at rehearsal, Atomic CLR's at home and I gig with XiTone's.

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I agree with the FRFR setup. I run my Ax Fx2 with a powered Mackie PA speaker and it sounds great! You just need to get a speaker stand so you can get it off the ground.

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Chris O wrote:
See...just the opposite here. Keep the power amp and cab. To me, it just sounds "right". IR/FRFR are fun and all that, but it just doesn't give me the same feel.


Same here. I prefer it with a power amp with guitar cab.


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I agree that an FRFR setup doesn't give you that chest pounding amp in the room sound but…. they do cut it and I think it sounds great.

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I'm going to go with the cab and poweramp for now but I'm going to try FRFR as soon as I know how to use the AX8 .

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Welcome to the dark side. I've been gigging with mine almost a year now and I'm never going back. I went power amp and cab initially thinking I wouldn't gel with FRFR but I was wrong. I still have my Matrix amp in case I want to go amp and cab but I'm good with my FRFR setups. Friedman ASM-12 at rehearsal, Atomic CLR's at home and I gig with XiTone's.



Which one is your favorite?

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Welcome to the dark side. I've been gigging with mine almost a year now and I'm never going back. I went power amp and cab initially thinking I wouldn't gel with FRFR but I was wrong. I still have my Matrix amp in case I want to go amp and cab but I'm good with my FRFR setups. Friedman ASM-12 at rehearsal, Atomic CLR's at home and I gig with XiTone's.



Which one is your favorite?

Difficult to answer. I use them all for different purposes. My favorite is probably the XiTone's. They sound fantastic, give a good cab thump and are very light at 38lbs. and the Line X coating on them make them ideal for the rigors of gigging which is why I use them live. The Atomic's are super flat which make them ideal for creating your presets on and having them translate well to PA systems. The Friedman is killer. Probably the most cab like sounding FRFR out there IMO. But it is extremely heavy and awkward to carry so it stays at my rehearsal room. I had a buddy just do a FRFR shootout at his studio. He had friends bring in all the big names. Atomic, Mission, Matrix, Friedman and my XiTone. The XiTone one in his opinion. They all sound great but overall he liked the XiTone and placed an order with them.

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victim5150 wrote:
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victim5150 wrote:
Welcome to the dark side. I've been gigging with mine almost a year now and I'm never going back. I went power amp and cab initially thinking I wouldn't gel with FRFR but I was wrong. I still have my Matrix amp in case I want to go amp and cab but I'm good with my FRFR setups. Friedman ASM-12 at rehearsal, Atomic CLR's at home and I gig with XiTone's.



Which one is your favorite?

Difficult to answer. I use them all for different purposes. My favorite is probably the XiTone's. They sound fantastic, give a good cab thump and are very light at 38lbs. and the Line X coating on them make them ideal for the rigors of gigging which is why I use them live. The Atomic's are super flat which make them ideal for creating your presets on and having them translate well to PA systems. The Friedman is killer. Probably the most cab like sounding FRFR out there IMO. But it is extremely heavy and awkward to carry so it stays at my rehearsal room. I had a buddy just do a FRFR shootout at his studio. He had friends bring in all the big names. Atomic, Mission, Matrix, Friedman and my XiTone. The XiTone one in his opinion. They all sound great but overall he liked the XiTone and placed an order with them.


A lot of people say the Friedman is heavy and awkward. Would it be heavy and awkward to someone used to lugging a 2x12 or 4x12?How is it compared to say a Mesa 2x12?


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I am in my late 40's and have a Friedman ASM-12 that sounds so great, I'll never need Viagra. :)

Seriously though, I think the Fractal stuff sounds great with real cab, FRFR, whichever.

The ASM-12 is 53 lbs and doesn't have the most ideal location for a handle I guess but it is not bulky so I think it is easier to carry it like you are holding a bag of mulch, up near your shoulder. If I was still gigging, I would use a little handcart and would be fine. The tones make it all worth it. :)


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The new ASM is designed like a guitar cab and not a wedge. I am looking into either that or the Mission Gemini 1x12. The new Xitone Michael Britt one looks cool too.

I used the Power Station and my Splawn cabs for 2 years with he Kemper. The last few months of having it I switched to the Quilter 101 and a 1x12. Sounded just as good but it's still too much to connect and disconnect when gigging for me. Also more shit to pack up. I am liking the FRFR idea more as it's quicker to set up/tear down.

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I friend loaned me an avatar 2x12 with Celestions 75's until I get a cab so let's see how it sounds.

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A lot of people say the Friedman is heavy and awkward. Would it be heavy and awkward to someone used to lugging a 2x12 or 4x12?How is it compared to say a Mesa 2x12?

Compared to most other FRFR speakers it is awkward and heavy. Compared to my Mesa Recto 2x12 cab it is not as heavy but still awkward. They placed the carry handle in a weird spot. Makes it awkward to carry. Not a deal breaker just annoying. I've seen the new Friedman cab FRFR. Might be a better solution for some users.

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One of the things that was always a quirk was missing that live, in the room vibe that a Cab gives. The Axe is a full rig, mixed entirely inside so it's the final mic'd sound. So can sound polished and with some FRFR systems it just sounds different than the cabs live in the room. I found that the Mission Eng Gimini 2 remedied that for me. It's loud as hell, 2x12 speakers, the same size as a 2x12 cab, full stereo. In the Axe, if I remove the mic'd part and use no mic's, it brings back that live, in the room cab feel.

I'm sure most of these FRFR systems mentioned here can do the same. But just wanted to point out that by removing the mic'd up section in the Axe and with a beefy FRFR speaker system, it can get that live, raw, in the room feel.

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So I got the ax8 and so far I don't like it . But I think one of my cables is broken so tomorrow I'm buying new ones. If that's not the problem I'm going to return it.

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Whats wrong with it specifically? What are you playing it through?


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Whats wrong with it specifically? What are you playing it through?


It feels like doesn't enough gain.
I've seen a lot of demos of this thing sounding amazing so I know something is wrong. If I can't figure out what's wrong I'm going back to tube amps.

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Check your cables and go into the global menu and check input levels. There should be plenty of gain.


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Whats wrong with it specifically? What are you playing it through?


It feels like doesn't enough gain.
I've seen a lot of demos of this thing sounding amazing so I know something is wrong. If I can't figure out what's wrong I'm going back to tube amps.



The Axe has more gain than most tube amps I have used
The problem is it will take time to get it too work for you
Expect at least a good 3 or 4 days it's not as simple
As just dialling in a tube amp
Make sure you reset the amp blocks if it was used
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Whats wrong with it specifically? What are you playing it through?


It feels like doesn't enough gain.
I've seen a lot of demos of this thing sounding amazing so I know something is wrong. If I can't figure out what's wrong I'm going back to tube amps.


You don't seem like the knee jerk reaction type at all :lol: :LOL:

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"The Axe doesn't have enough gain"...said NOBODY EVER...until now.

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Chris O wrote:
"The Axe doesn't have enough gain"...said NOBODY EVER...until now.

Something has to be wrong with your setup.


:lol: :LOL:

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It's been a week with the ax8 and no matter what I do sounds thin, lifeless and fake. It's frustrating.

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It's been a week with the ax8 and no matter what I do sounds thin, lifeless and fake. It's frustrating.


what are you connecting it to?

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lack of gain isn't a problem normally associated with these. Some of the patches are insane amounts of gain and you can boost it further w\a pedal in a block in front of the amp.

Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong - by gain, do you mean like your overall output levels are low? Or are we talking gain as in saturated overdrive?

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Whats wrong with it specifically? What are you playing it through?


It feels like doesn't enough gain.
I've seen a lot of demos of this thing sounding amazing so I know something is wrong. If I can't figure out what's wrong I'm going back to tube amps.


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I done with this thing.

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You're not tweaking it right. I have a Mesa Mark IV and an AX8 and can get them to sound close IMHO. That's comparing the IV under a mic into a DAW and the AX8 through my my monitors.

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You're not tweaking it right. I have a Mesa Mark IV and an AX8 and can get them to sound close IMHO. That's comparing the IV under a mic into a DAW and the AX8 through my my monitors.


This.

Read the manual a few times.

You're using a guitar cab and power amp? If so did you disable the cab sim on the AX8?

No offense but the AX8 sounds great so you're doing something wrong. Unless the unit is defective which I doubt but you never know.

It's not going to sound like a tube amp in the room. It is supposed to sound like a Miked cab FOH type of thing.

Download some free presets from the Axe exchange. Tweak and try recording direct. Sounds amazing.

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Just got my own AX8, can´t wait to try it! :-)

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I sure wouldn't give up on it, I've gotten some of the best recorded tones I've ever had out of it. Not to mention 4cm into an amp.

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Yep, I'm wanting an AX8 these days too. Even though I've never been much of a fan of modelers, Fractal's stuff is so good these days (and I don't always have time for a full sit-down with a tube amp) that I'm going invest in a modeler to keep around.

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I know it's a great product I just can't bond with it. So that's why I returned it.

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I know it's a great product I just can't bond with it. So that's why I returned it.


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I really dig mine. I have to say that I play with the Dirty Shirley model more than anything. I just dig it.

I am running a crazy rig with the AX8 but I am weird. I am controlling via midi with the voodoo lab ground control and a gcx. I am also using a bunch of effects running in the loops of the ax8 and through the gcx. I am powering it with a Rocktron Velocity 300 with either my Rectifier 2x12 or the Orange PPC212 depending on if I want to run mono or stereo.

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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 17, 2017 11:41pm 
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i'n gonna buy one of these
wondering if i can mod my 5150 3 50 watt to use as a power amp only
if not i have a few solid state power power amps
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 19, 2017 6:39pm 
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controlled_voltage wrote:
i'n gonna buy one of these
wondering if i can mod my 5150 3 50 watt to use as a power amp only
if not i have a few solid state power power amps
[mosvale,halfer]



No mods needed. Just plug the AX8 out into your amps FX return. And shut off the cab sims in the AX8. I do this sometimes with my Mesa Mark IV. It sounds ok with some amps sims and not so ok with others.

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