Bogner 412 with an X of V30's and...?

I have a Bogner 412 cab which came to me loaded with V30's. I think those are great speakers, but I got a little bit too much upper mids with my particular head (a 50-watt SLO100-inspired head that sounds closer to a Dual Rectifier). My Keeley-modded Ibanez Analog Delay smoothed that problem out a lot, but I don't want to run that all the time (well, not entirely true... I love that pedal ). So I swapped two of the V30's for G12K-100s. Now my tone is much more balanced, but I think it took a little bit too much of the mids out. Now I keep them dimed on my head, and I feel like I need more.

Has anyone else tried an X with V30's in a Bogner cab? I know that the G12T-75 is commonly mixed because that's what they load some of them with from the factory. I know that G12H-30s are supposedly popular to mix with V30's, but I've not heard anyone who has done that in a Bogner. Of course, I could change them all out, but my unfounded bias tells me that I should have V30s.

I'm mostly interested in high gain tone, btw.

Maybe mix in some Eminence V12's.........that way you can keep your mids. It will just shift the mid Q a bit lower and smooth out the upper mid "rasp".

The WGS Veteran 30 might also work. But I highly prefer the Eminence over it. Especially if high gain focus is your goal.

G12H30 Anniversaries are scooped and bright to my ears.....prolly not what you want. The Heritage 75hz have much better mids.....but still bright.

EyesOfTheSouth":xk9jdhrf said:

Maybe mix in some Eminence V12's.........that way you can keep your mids. It will just shift the mid Q a bit lower and smooth out the upper mid "rasp".

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That sounds like an awesome idea. A quick google shows other people having similar experiences. I know someone recommended it on one of my other threads, too. What exact speaker should I look for? I glanced at Avatar's catalog, and it's not clear which one is a V12. "Legend V128" perhaps?

I mix V30's with ET65's and it sounds great to me. I like this mix better than with 75's. YMMV.

The cab is a 1960A.

barnesjd":1wt3hkwu said:

EyesOfTheSouth":1wt3hkwu said:

Maybe mix in some Eminence V12's.........that way you can keep your mids. It will just shift the mid Q a bit lower and smooth out the upper mid "rasp".

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That sounds like an awesome idea. A quick google shows other people having similar experiences. I know someone recommended it on one of my other threads, too. What exact speaker should I look for? I glanced at Avatar's catalog, and it's not clear which one is a V12. "Legend V128" perhaps?

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V128 is the 8 ohm version

V1216 is the 16 ohm. The 16's were discontinued at one time, but I noticed Eminence has them on their website again. If not, they can be purchased direct from Soldano at a reasonable price.

fek":3axpnt2p said:

I mix V30's with ET65's and it sounds great to me. I like this mix better than with 75's. YMMV.

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Ah, some Warehouse speakers. A buddy of mine has some Veteran 30s lying around. I might have to try them out too.

V30s sound great with 75s, H30s, g12-65s, and most GB flavored speakers.

You could also try something different like CL80s mixed with H30s but it may be too bright for your amp.

glassjaw7":3e4b19ag said:

V30s sound great with 75s, H30s, g12-65s, and most GB flavored speakers

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I would expect the V30s to drown out any Greenbacks.

I've got the same cab and I loaded it in an X with v30's and 75's and it's perfect to my ears.

barnesjd":1uh5l1pi said:

glassjaw7":1uh5l1pi said:

V30s sound great with 75s, H30s, g12-65s, and most GB flavored speakers

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I would expect the V30s to drown out any Greenbacks.

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Actually the gb top end and snarl comes through nicely. I think Friedman runs gb on top of v30 in his 412s. Not sure though. I played them side by side in two cabs and liked the mix.

Rezamatix":3qy98vkz said:

I have the Bogner and I put the 75s on the bottom though, I like them there better.

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I've not heard of doing a top/bottom configuration. I might experiment with that too.

I'm acquiring an Orange 212 tomorrow, so running them together will definitely give some mids back until I find something else.