sg guy":2flmy6wl said:-former Herbert owner, I'm thinking I need a DIEZEL, but I want some less refined, gritty,
I agree to an extent but they'll still never get as raw or organic as something like the old mark series boogies or older marshalls no matter what you do even with more mids and lower output pickups (which is what I do). If you're picky about getting a very raw sound (like me) then diezels wont satisfy you. That being said, I'm still very interested in trying a Paul and Big Maxx.ProgFree":2cbnm18k said:I have a VH4 and a Hagen and had an Einstein in the past, in my opinion all these amps can sound quite raw. The thing is that most of the folks scoop the mids too much and use high output pickups, in that scenario they are not so raw sounding. With a good amount of mids dialed in and medium/low output pickups one can get a raw sound out of these amps without problems. In fact this is why I really like these amps cause they can sound more polished or more raw depending on the pickups, eq, and cab. IMHO
braintheory":3fkznv4g said:I agree to an extent but they'll still never get as raw or organic as something like the old mark series boogies or older marshalls no matter what you do even with more mids and lower output pickups (which is what I do). If you're picky about getting a very raw sound (like me) then diezels wont satisfy you. That being said, I'm still very interested in trying a Paul and Big Maxx.ProgFree":3fkznv4g said:I have a VH4 and a Hagen and had an Einstein in the past, in my opinion all these amps can sound quite raw. The thing is that most of the folks scoop the mids too much and use high output pickups, in that scenario they are not so raw sounding. With a good amount of mids dialed in and medium/low output pickups one can get a raw sound out of these amps without problems. In fact this is why I really like these amps cause they can sound more polished or more raw depending on the pickups, eq, and cab. IMHO
Vin Diezel":11odzr8q said:I think there are two things that set the Diezel sound apart:
The mids are very soft and the bass is compressed, which makes for easy recording when playing palm mutes. Quite the opposite of raw.
When using a 6505, you have to compress between 150 and 250 Hz to get the bass under control in the mix.
The presence control starts quite low, so if you turn up presence on a Diezel, you get more high mids, but that is not what a Diezel is supposed to sound like.
littleguitars":9xv0glfq said:"Open", "organic" "touch responsive" are the words I most often use to describe the amps that I tend to gravitate towards. And for me, the Diezel Paul fits the bill.
I definitely love the raw sound of a good Marshall amp, but I also like a bit more versatility and a sound that is a touch more refined. For that, I find the Diezel Paul to be just about perfect. For the OP, channel 2 with gain below noon is pretty open, raw and aggressive sounding. When you turn up the gain too much, it becomes too soft and you lose too much edge. Keep the volume up and the gain down to about 11 o'clock and you can definitely get pretty raw.
Here's a quick clip I made a few weeks ago. It can at least give you an idea of the kind of sounds you can get on Channel 2.
https://app.box.com/s/7hp7t0x3ju9rlkto9lyf00shp69t2skd
ProgFree":3k2loxci said:It is just a matter of not scooping the mids. The mids of the vh4 are pretty wideband when compared to other amps. And quite dynamical when interacting with the bass and treble. Just recorded this clip with a mesa std cab and a sm57 to show this. First take everything at noon with mids little over noon. Second take scooped mids at around 10 O'clock. Do you hear the big difference?
People tend to scoop the mids too much probably due to habits of the times when Marshal were the only thing around. To get a great tone with a more raw character out of the Diezels one should not be scooping the mids. IMHO YMMV