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PostPosted: Thu, Jan 17, 2008 2:34pm 
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Any opinions?

I've tried getting in touch with people regarding the new Diezel cabs to no avail...maybe after NAMM. :student:

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i am interested in this as well! im wanting to know how a front loaded g12k-100 cab would mix live with my rear loaded v 30 cab.
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I'm a big fan of both speakers. I've heard the 100s in Marshall and Fender (seriously) cabs and compared to V30s, they have a much wider freq. responce. Tons of low end, very even smooth mids, and a high end responce a little different than most other Celestions. The highs stay clean and articulate rather than crunching up. Dynamically they are super punchy, stiff and not as compressed as V30s. Probably not the best bet for classic rock where speaker breakup enhances the tone, but incredible for high gain and accurate clean tones.

The other 'clean' Celestion that doesn't break up much, Classic Lead 80, sounds quite different than the G12K-100. Different materials used in the construction result, IMO, in the 100 having a much warmer, throaty natural sound vs. the edgy, metallic sound of the 80.

I'm almost certain I will be getting one of these new Diezel G12k100 cabs. I love front loaded cabs !

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I'm using the Celestion G12K-100 trough a Diezel Rearloaded Cab + Diezel Herbert +Gibson SG or Fender Strat.

I compared this combination to other cabs and speakers like Engl loaded with V30...Marshall loaded with eminence delta pro 12...and so on.

My cab, the diezel 412R with g12k 100 sounded very good into my ears especially for modern metall sounds. The cleansound is realy "full" and you can feel the tone into the room. Funk, smooth blues and fusion jazz, everything is possible and sounds realy nice...great! (:

But I heard that the g12k 100 would sound better in the frontloaded cab...that was the only one possible combination that I did not try out =/ :doh:

you wouldn't do any fault if you're going to buy these speakers (:

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I guess I'm the only one that likes the V30's for metal/hard rock better, there is a thickness to them that I love that's in the midrange somewhere. :dunno:

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no im a HUGE v3O fan. only speaker i have ever used in any rig, BUT i wanna mix in something for just live and nothing is cooler looking than 2 cabs anyway :D i just wanna know how both cabs would sound together.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jan 20, 2008 9:58am 
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Hi,

has anyone tried the G12K-100 in the Einstein Combo (or any other open back cabinet)?

I'm looking for more aggressive highs and a little less mids compared to the stock V30.

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Hello to everybody!
I´m back from the NAMM and a bit jet lagged.
Very interesting discussion. I fully agree with "thegame´s" describtion! Van Hellions idea comes close to Adam Jones´s tone. Even better would be a V30 Rearloaded and a G12K100 Front.
This gives kind of phasing signal....like it or not.
If somebody has seen my interview...The way it´s ment to be: We sell more V30 cabinets than G12K cabinets. It´s just an alternative chassis for those who need more definition between 500 Hz and
3.5kHz. Some of you might like the early break up of the V30, some might not. Peter Diezel wants me to make a G12H cabinet. I talked to the guys from Celestion and they will send me samples asap.

By the way, the baby is ready to roll :rock:


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PostPosted: Thu, Jan 24, 2008 6:31am 
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G12H - very interesting and IMO a good idea.

I hope that you don't mind if I use that pic for your website? :D

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Peter Stapfer wrote:
Hello to everybody!
I´m back from the NAMM and a bit jet lagged.
Very interesting discussion. I fully agree with "thegame´s" describtion! Van Hellions idea comes close to Adam Jones´s tone. Even better would be a V30 Rearloaded and a G12K100 Front.
This gives kind of phasing signal....like it or not.
If somebody has seen my interview...The way it´s ment to be: We sell more V30 cabinets than G12K cabinets. It´s just an alternative chassis for those who need more definition between 500 Hz and
3.5kHz. Some of you might like the early break up of the V30, some might not. Peter Diezel wants me to make a G12H cabinet. I talked to the guys from Celestion and they will send me samples asap.

By the way, the baby is ready to roll :rock:


Hi Peter! Thanks for the info. When will these new cabs be available to order and do you have a rough price to North Americans?
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PostPosted: Sat, Jan 26, 2008 9:32am 
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I am dealing with Tyler Salwender how to get the first container to the US.
We have to deal with the banks and stuff, so it´s up to them, if we can make this happen.
Sending the cabinets by UPS was a nightmare costwise. The cabinets that I sent to Tokyo via UPS have been completely destroyed. Tyler is my man, I´ll do my very best to arrange the import of the cabinets to North America.
Shipping should take between 60 to 80 days, but dealing with the banks is something special.
I´ll keep you updated, gentlemen. By the way, I´ll be in holiday for 3 days! (I had 2 days last year, what a gain!)


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Nice to hear that you are back, Peter.
Have a nice vacation and I will be waiting for the reply on my e-mail, regarding the new cabs.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jan 28, 2008 5:35am 
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Peter Stapfer wrote:
I am dealing with Tyler Salwender how to get the first container to the US.
We have to deal with the banks and stuff, so it´s up to them, if we can make this happen.
Sending the cabinets by UPS was a nightmare costwise. The cabinets that I sent to Tokyo via UPS have been completely destroyed. Tyler is my man, I´ll do my very best to arrange the import of the cabinets to North America.
Shipping should take between 60 to 80 days, but dealing with the banks is something special.
I´ll keep you updated, gentlemen. By the way, I´ll be in holiday for 3 days! (I had 2 days last year, what a gain!)


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Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert wrote:
I guess I'm the only one that likes the V30's for metal/hard rock better, there is a thickness to them that I love that's in the midrange somewhere. :dunno:

-Nick

No Nick, I’m with you all the way. The G12K-100 fall under the classic zone with the Vintage 30, same category as far as era.

Back when I was waiting indefinitely for some minor parts for my Herbie, Terry told me about this new Diezel cab, more or less. I deduced that the speakers had to be the G12K-100 since Peter primarily uses his custom12s which I have and Vintage 30s.

I bought 4 G12K-100 speakers and loaded them up and was moderately impressed, but not impressed enough to keep them. They hadn’t the nice chime and sparkle in the high end, the midrange I like and the oomph as I like in the low end too as the Vintage 30 does.

Basically the G12K-100 is simply a louder speaker but IMO not as versatile as a Vintage 30

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Would an x pattern loaded cab of v30s and 100s give you the best of both worlds then? or does it kinda create a tone of its own?


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it creates its own tone. i tried it in mine & it sounded good..but i liked all 4 G12K100s in comparison. just my ears i guess. But people are different. If you have the speakers, give them a try. you may like it. and if you dont its only your time & effort that is lost.

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Thanks man,
The problem is I don't live near any good guitar shops or diezel showrooms :/ Pretty much all my purchases are based on reviews.


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Hi,

I own a frontloaded V30 and G12K100 mixed cab. The are mounted left and right side, so that I can use it as a 2x12 with one speaker type, if I like, but to be honest: For me the mix is the coolest thing =)

The V30 is more spikey and has more own character, whereas the G12K100 sound more neutral to me, but has a HUGE bottom end.

But the diezel guys dont like them mixed in one cabinet, so thats up to your own ;)


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I just came from an Ab comparison: G12K100 vs V30, both front loaded (Einstein head). After a loooooot of reading of reviews, I has convinced that a will like G12K100 better. Guess what: right now, behind me there is a V30 Front loaded Diezel cab laughing at me. I did not cranked up the head, but i never will, not in my home, nor in the studio or the clubs where I'm playing so i just herd both cabs in conventional levels. I was testing these cabs with an Einstein Head and a les paul guitar so pronounced highs (from V30) and attack (from FL configuration) are just the "missing ingredients" for my cake.

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van hellion wrote:
no im a HUGE v3O fan. only speaker i have ever used in any rig, BUT i wanna mix in something for just live and nothing is cooler looking than 2 cabs anyway :D i just wanna know how both cabs would sound together.
peace
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My Favorite Mix... Is V30's & Lead 80's I have this in an X-Pattern in my MILLS Afterburner Cab. The 80's are a great match with the 30's they are Darker, and have more punch, and bottom, and are Creamy... Perfect with the Growl, and snarl & bite of the 30's.

100's are a GT75 with a little more bottom... Hollow sounding IMO... Top & Bottom, and no mids.

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100's are a GT75 with a little more bottom... Hollow sounding IMO... Top & Bottom, and no mids.

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I've tried K100s again since my initial post almost 2 years ago. You're right, hollow is the best word to describe the K100s. I'm not interested in them at all anymore.

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RoidRage wrote:
100's are a GT75 with a little more bottom... Hollow sounding IMO... Top & Bottom, and no mids.

Best,

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I've tried K100s again since my initial post almost 2 years ago. You're right, hollow is the best word to describe the K100s. I'm not interested in them at all anymore.


Yep. I bought a quad, played them for a few months and then sold the quad. Hollow is right. Great bottom end and very tight, but definitely hollow. I didn't like the roll off of the high end on the speaker either. Decent mid range, but definitely lacking in character. I found I like the Mesa C90s better than the K100 and I still complain the C90s lack character. I've got C90s and V30s mixed in my Road King cab and it's a pretty solid combination, overall.

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I found I like the Mesa C90s better than the K100 and I still complain the C90s lack character.


Yes, the C90s are much better than K100s IMO, but still not as sweet as the you know whats. When they arrive, feel free to test drive them any which way you please :thumbsup:

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Just gotta chime in here... Been a while, been sluttin' around on the Bogner side of things (ya ya, I'm playing both sides... Uberschall is awesome) BUT!!! I just have to say, I was using a RL 4x12 Diezel loaded with G12H 70th Anniversary Edition cones and then I picked up a new FL G12K-100 cabinet, and hands down, the new FL cabs with the G12K's impress me intensely. The things I love about them are they are VERY 3D, the cleans sound better than previous V30 cabs and definitely the previous Diezel cab loaded with this G12H's, as for break up - I played a lot with my depth and presence EQ (VH4S, new) and I found these 2 controls were the key to unleashing the potency of the G12K-100's...

So, just my 2 cents worth. If I could, I'd have every cab and amp in the world, but I don't. So my VH4S through FL G12K100 4x12's is VERY versatile, rich, toneful, and ya, bloody loud and powerful. My other rig is a TJ Uberschall, new, with a matching UberKab 4x12 (X patterned with G12T-75 and V30's) and between the 2, I've always found the tone I yearn for.

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My Diezel FL cab with G12K100's is supposed to be here tomorrow. Should be interesting since I've ran my Herbert through V30's, Greenbacks, and P50s.

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Just got my FL G12K100 cab a little while ago and have mixed feelings.

It seems to lack some bottom end when compared to my Framus Cobra 412 cab with Greenbacks.. :confused: The adjustment seems to be mostly in the deep and presence knobs with this cab. I can see where a couple of you say that the 100's sound a little hollow. The mid range could definitely use some more bite.

I think I am learning that I like that mid rangy "bite" that V30's have. They seem to really pronounce the picking attack on the palm mutes.

Looks like I'm going to have to try out V30's and 100's in an "X" Anyone have a pair of Vintage 30's for sale? :)

Also, what are the characteristics of the 100's when they are not broken in? I did buy my cab used, from Pauly, but I don't think he put a lot of hours on it.

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It would be nice to hear from Peter or Duolos here as not that long ago, the new FL 4x12 loaded with G12K-100's was to be the epitome of sonic bliss matched to a completely re-engineered cabinet specifically designed for these new cones...

Are we finding they're too sterile? Too 'hollow'? Lacking character? And if so, what do the Powers That Be think of X patterning their beloved G12K's with V30's in a FL cab?? Anyone?? What's happening here folks...!!

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I have just spent the last 5 hours playing through this new cab. :bash:

Conclusions I have arrived to....

1. The bass is very touchy. I usually run a lot of bass, I like to feel a good riff. AS I work the bass and deep knobs, I've either got nearly no bass or I've got too much that "flubs" out. As soon as I get the bass set right, just changing to a different guitar or tuning seems to change the bass response completely and I am back to knob tweaking.

2. This cab seems to sound boxy to me. If I close my eyes, I'd think I was playing through a 2x12 cab. I think part of this is due to the mid range on these speakers. I found myself rolling my mids off more and more tying to get a less "midy","boxy" sound out of the tone.
Removing my Herbert and trying out my Powerball gave similar results. Found myself rolling off the mids. I believe this must be what you guys consider "hollow" sounding?

I think I am going to try an X with a pair of V30's, if I can find a pair cheap. If I don't like that combo either than I guess I will try Greenbacks in this cab. I really like the tight bass, smooth mids, and not much tonal variance regardless of volume with the Greenbacks.

The cabinet is awesome, very sturdy and attractive, but not the tonal qualities I was expecting. :confused:

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Good post RJF... Just one point of clarification - are you talking about the new 4x12 FL loaded with G12K100's..??

Interesting. I've heard that V30's in a FL config over a RL config change a lot in their typical grunt, growl and spectrum. The G12K100's are solid - I find them robust, very 3D, and linear - but this linearity sometimes seems "sterile". I find V30's, or G12H's or even Greenbacks are more 'organic' sounding. But this is where I've been finding sweetspots with Presence & Depth. You say you're using a Herbie? That might be it too - Herbies are hi-gain beasts that tend to come delivered already a bit pre-scooped (in my humble opinion).

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah the search for the omnipotent 'tone'. :doh:

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NOTE: I did a re-read of your previous post...yes, you're using the FL new cab - cool. I HAVE heard that the more the G12K's break in, the sweeter, browner and more rich they sound. Again, would be great to hear some thoughts by Peter, Peter and Duolos here.

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Woke up this morning, fired up the Herbert, and still dislike the 100's. :thumbsdown:

Just found a Crate Blue Voodoo cab for sale locally, if it still has the stock V30's I'm going to grab it. Then, pull the speakers, and then do the world a favor and junk the cab. :lol: :LOL:

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You going to go X pattern or full 4...??

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And if so, what do the Powers That Be think of X patterning their beloved G12K's with V30's in a FL cab?? Anyone?? What's happening here folks...!!

V. :dunno:

V30s will never die. They are the mainstay and industry standard for all forms of rock and metal. There's been more rock and metal albums/CD hits recorded with V30s than any other Celestion.

With all this RL & FL speak going around, I wonder if it's feasible, doable or even practical to have a single 4x12 cab that would have a mix of both two RL speakers & two FL speakers in the same cab.


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Ventura wrote:
Herbies are hi-gain beasts that tend to come delivered already a bit pre-scooped (in my humble opinion).

Hey V. I will have to agree to disagree. Yes Herbie can be just a hi-gain beast if one parks themselves on CH3 ad infinitum. Then the users would be missing the point of Herbert. Herbert is far more than a hi-gain beast. I don't know how you conclude the pre-scooped conclusion, mine certainly is not.
There’s other channels which Herbie also comes with, they've got very cool handy knobs. ;)


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Herbie's other channels and handy knobs....
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Oh hell ya, I know...I KNOW!!! That was taken kinda the wrong way...I'm just saying the Herbie's 'industry' claim to fame is its potency in the hi-gain arena of amps. And in that arena with what it is equipped with, it is somewhat scooped (but completely EQ'able as well). I am not saying at all it's a one trick pony. Not at all... I know Herbie and I know Uberschall, and they're a lot a like in many ways.

Anyway - I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'....you know what I'm sayin'?

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Herbie's other channels and handy knobs....
Anyway - I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'....you know what I'm sayin'?

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V. I fully understand I was just :poke: you.
You know what I'm saying, because I'm just saying that it's just what I'm saying without saying what I'm saying to :doh:you, know what I'm saying?


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I was noodling around the Interweb this evening and came across this vid of a shoot-out between the Celestion V30 vs G12H-30 vs G12T-75 vs G12K-100.
To my ears the T-75 & K-100 sound nearly the same - the K-100 just may have a bit more output. Switch between 0:39 for the T-75 & 1:20 for the K-100 and you judge for yourself.



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I have a new found love for the straight FL 4x12 G12K100 cab. It sounds -way- better with my Herbert than my straight ENGL Vintage V30 ever did. No matter the sounds: clean, crunch, chug, leads. And it's also a lot easier on my back :lol: :LOL:
And I also happen to think that that ENGL cab is one of the best V30 cabs out there.
That being said, I haven't tried the new Diezel FL V30, so that might be a different beast altogether. I'm just gonna have to buy more cabs :rock:
I still wanna try my amp with an Orange 16ohm V30 cab again, that was the best I've heard with it previously...but maybe my ears are just being nostalgic ;)
However, I think I have concluded that with the Herbert, you don't want to have speaker distortion...and remember this is the most powerful output stage of any guitar amp to my knowledge (well maybe Orange RV 200W as well?)...so bring on some proper load resistance and it will sound its best when you put the master at noon :thumbsup:


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I just can't get the bass response to come up and can't EQ out a "boxy" sound. I will say, if I turn the master up far enough to kill small animals that are in close proximity, then it starts sounding better, but jeesh.... better keep a bottle of aspirin near the amp for my ringing head! :doh: I think these speakers are just too big for my liking. I need a lower wattage speaker that starts moving and responding better at a lower volume.

Still working on that BLue Voodoo cab, first I'll try an X, then move to replacing all 4, unless I think the X is great.

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However, I think I have concluded that with the Herbert, you don't want to have speaker distortion...and remember this is the most powerful output stage of any guitar amp to my knowledge (well maybe Orange RV 200W as well?)...so bring on some proper load resistance and it will sound its best when you put the master at noon :thumbsup:

I think Peter knows what he's doing when he chose V30s. V30s are much more harmonically rich than the sterile T-75 and K-100. It’s abundantly clear from the shoot-out. And early distortion is not that noticeable in the V30 (I like!), you’re hearing the rich tone that marries very well with all Diezel amplifiers.

About seven years ago I had an Ampeg VH140C stack loaded with T-75s. It sounded fairly good because the VH140C is solid state. I’ll never forget the day a friend joined my band at rehearsal and he brought a Marshall stack, two 1960BVs V30 loaded. He asked if I wanted to give it a go with my Ampeg VH140C. I much obliged and it changed my whole spectrum on guitar loud speakers. The musicality og the V30 was second to none compared to the T-75 and just owned my Ampeg 4x12 T-75 load cabs, clean, crunch and brutal. I’ve never looked back.

Hey, I’ve tried them all at one time or another and the V30 is my dog!

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I will say, if I turn the master up far enough to kill small animals that are in close proximity, then it starts sounding better,...

Hey RJF, that's really not the way that Herbie was designed from what I have heard from the master himself. It's really theother way around, volume high (~12:00) and master lower.

I've attached a sample chart for anyone interested.


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I will say, if I turn the master up far enough to kill small animals that are in close proximity, then it starts sounding better,...

Hey RJF, that's really not the way that Herbie was designed from what I have heard from the master himself. It's really theother way around, volume high (~12:00) and master lower.

I've attached a sample chart for anyone interested.


Thanks for that chart, which helped confirm myself I don't have my EQ way out. I cranked the master up, while having the channel volume level up fairly high also. I'm talking seriously loud.....

After listening to that clip of the speakers, I also really prefer the characteristics of the V30. Much sharper and crunchier. The 75 and 100 sounded very bland to me.

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I like the V30's for many things myself, but the Herbert is so powerful that I seem to get nasty breakup with it before the master hits full flight, so to speak :D
But to each his own! I play lot of palm muted riffs that absolutely depend on precision, agressive response, attack and dynamics. For big open chords, rock music, the rearloaded V30's would probably work better, to give the real "vintage feel".
What I do love about the 412FK Custom is that it is very neutral and "honest" sounding, it sounds huge, and no frequencies jump out at you (unlike the slightly harsh high-mid/treble you'd get from a cranked V30 cabinet...it is distorting)
Now with a 100W Marshall, I might have gotten away with it because the transformers are like cellphone chargers compared to the Herbert ones :lol: :LOL:
The genius of the 412FK is that when you turn it up it doesn't change the tone, it just increases the volume. I really like that!


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Well, with the big announcement and all the hoopla not that long ago with regards to the "newly redesigned FL G12K100 loaded 4x12" cabs, the thing I remember hearing a lot from the Powers That Be (Diezel-Land) was that they'd steered away from V30's in order to avoid that sharp midrange bite so typical with them. The G12K100's were touted as the new bomber awesome killer cones... I unloaded a RL4x12 with G12H's in anticipation for the new GK's, and ya, I like the G12K's, but are they as rich as the G12H's...?? Maybe not. I've got an UberKab coming today or tomorrow loaded with V30's and GT's in an X pattern - my guess is, this cab will sound a little more organic and perhaps less bitey than an all 4 V30 cab.

But here we are, some of us have spent some serious LOOT on these new fangled 4x12's FL'd with G12K's and now we're seeing Diezel mix 'em up with V30's and even we as musicians changing them up to get something we're not currently getting. Kinda bugs me. Don't get me wrong, I love everything Diezel, they are awesome - and my VH4S is the epitome of a brilliant, flexible, amazing amp. But this flip-floppin' around with different cones and what not makes me wonder, if the ENTIRE cabinet was REDESIGNED and RE-ENGINEERED to sound BEST with G12K's, why is it things are going BACK to V30's and other models in the FL configuration...?? Hype?? Marketing?? Or just preference??

Whatever, I have the 4 x G12K's and since the new UberKab comes with V30's and GT's, I may just keep the G12K's in there for now and flip flop between cabs. But if it continues to sound a bit sterile... I'll be throwing some V30's in there for sure. Sigh....

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PS - without a doubt, the sound off clip above has me thinking the V30's are the nicest sounding, most rich, then followed closely by the G12H's and then the G12K's and then the 75's...

But YES!!! The surrounding cab can make a HUGE difference to this.... I know this. It's sonic physics.

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Well, I'd just like to clarify for what I've said in this thread. My 100's were out of phase in my cab, so obviously is why I was unimpressed by them at first.

I fixed the wiring and am blown away by the new cab and 100's. Tons of bass and it's super tight and clear. I don't think I will be bothering with V30's in this cab anytime soon.

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After listening to that clip of the speakers, I also really prefer the characteristics of the V30. Much sharper and crunchier. The 75 and 100 sounded very bland to me.

Same here. The 75 & 100 sound very similar to my ears, sterile, lackluster and uninspiring for lack of a better word.


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I wasn't aware that Diezel are going to go with a mixed setup in newer cabs! IIRC, Pauly Panacea said he tried his cab with two V30's but then he threw them right back out again. But hey, trying new shit is half the fun right?? :rock:


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Kudos to the great work that Diezel has done building their new cabs. I've heard one and it sounds nice, no question.
I also know that I own a previous generation 2x12 FL cab with the Diezel speakers.
I'm not a fan of Celestion speakers in general and they aren't the be all to end all.....so, in all fairness, I decided to try a pair of G12K100s in there and it sounded somewhat better. Nothing overly dramatic but it was clearer and handled the bottom better.

Recently, I replaced the stock Diezel spec Eminence speakers with a couple of Eminence George Lynch Super V112 speakers and the difference is night and day. These speakers are ultra clear, have an awesome bottom end and just punch you in the gut when cranked. My Einstein just loves these things. I also put one into my ISO cab and it works great. When I get some time, I'll have to post up some clips. I'm really happy with this setup.
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...and my VH4S is the epitome of a brilliant, flexible, amazing amp. But this flip-floppin' around with different cones and what not makes me wonder, if the ENTIRE cabinet was REDESIGNED and RE-ENGINEERED to sound BEST with G12K's, why is it things are going BACK to V30's and other models in the FL configuration...?? Hype?? Marketing?? Or just preference??

Whatever, I have the 4 x G12K's and since the new UberKab comes with V30's and GT's, I may just keep the G12K's in there for now and flip flop between cabs. But if it continues to sound a bit sterile... I'll be throwing some V30's in there for sure. Sigh....:doh: V.

You’re almost correct in your examination, V. I'll have to raise the bar here and fervently declare and state publicly that it is the King Herbert to be the quintessence of all electric guitar amps, high or low, bar none!.

CH2 on Herbert possess endless tones based on how well you are able to mix up the gain, volume, TMB, -/+ switch, presence and deep.

Just for the record, my 2-4x12 Diezel Wonder Cabs are fitted with 2-V30s and two Diezel Custom speakers installed in an X pattern - unadulterated Heaven!

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No need to sigh V. V30s are the bomb married with Herbert and they handle his massive power very well at all volumes and abuse.


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