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PostPosted: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:35am 
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I'm using a Visual Sound One Spot to power them. I don't run too many pedals:

Guitar > Wah > Picture Wah > TU-2 (soon to be replaced, thinking polytune) > Glowvibe > OD808 > Octavian > AD-9 > Superbass.

The pedals are wired with George L's. The whammy and glow vibe use their own power adapters into my power strip, along with the one spot which powers everything else. It hums ridiculously loud though, and if I turn the 808 on (level 10, gain 0) it becomes twice as ridiculous. When I plug straight in it's pretty quiet, albeit with the slight hum you'd expect from a vintage Marshall.

I'm really starting to think it's the damn one spot that's causing the noise. Thing is, it seems like it's a lot louder than it used to be. Sweat and beer being dumped on it show after show probably doesn't help either. :D

I've been thinking about the Voodoo Pedal Power 2 Plus. Anybody use one and comment if really brings down the noise?

I avoided it for awhile to save pedalboard space, and because the whammy and glowvibe are AC powered. Then I noticed today the PP2+ has a courtesy AC out. :doh:

Or any other suggestions besides the one spot that could be causing this massive fail? :cry:


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You and I are on the same page brother. I am looking at a PP2 for my board as well, although I seem to be aquiring pedals by the week and my board is going to be out of control soon lol!!

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Yeah, Shea. The PP2+ will cut out the noise. I use them on two different boards and they are quiet.

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Any power supplies close to your wah? They pick up lots of noise.

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good thread. my one spot is noisy as hell too. may need to pick up a PP2.

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tweed wrote:
You and I are on the same page brother. I am looking at a PP2 for my board as well, although I seem to be aquiring pedals by the week and my board is going to be out of control soon lol!!


From what I've read you can still daisy chain with the PP2+ so if you add more pedals it will stand come in handy. I'm really hoping it will cut down and the damn noise. When click I my OD808 at gig volume you have to literally talk OVER it. It's stupid loud. :hys:

What pedals are you running these days and which ones are you gassing for? :D

I think I'm about to change it up. The Tu-2 can suck my balls (although it's stood to up to almost 10 years of hard gigging abuse now), but i think I'm going to try the polytune when it comes out. I'm also about to ditch my MIJ AD-9 in favor of a Carbon Copy, just for the added time. I find myself wanting more than just 300ms, more like 380 or 400.

I'm also thinking about ditching my Picture Wah and trying an Area 51 wah.


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Any power supplies close to your wah? They pick up lots of noise.

Yeah the power strip is at the "top" of my board so it's probably 5 inches away or so.

Which brings me to another point, everytime I turn on my wah pedal it hums ridiculously loud. It did it with my Roger Mayer 9090A wah as well. :doh:


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Yeah, Shea. The PP2+ will cut out the noise. I use them on two different boards and they are quiet.

This what I want to hear. :rock:


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Something else I noticed... When I plugged into my pedalboard, and I'm chugging on the low E, occasionally I'll get this crackling sound like it's on top of the tone. It freaked me out at first and I was thinking it was the amp or my speakers, but when I plug straight it in doesn't happen.

Apparently my rig is all fucked. :doh: :hys:


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I run an NS-2 as the last thing in my chain going into the amp and my pedalboard/amp is dead silent, even standing next to it cranked. I do use a PP2+, but the other guitarist uses a One Spot on his board with an NS-2 at the end and his rig is quiet, too.


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Telephant wrote:
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You and I are on the same page brother. I am looking at a PP2 for my board as well, although I seem to be aquiring pedals by the week and my board is going to be out of control soon lol!!


From what I've read you can still daisy chain with the PP2+ so if you add more pedals it will stand come in handy. I'm really hoping it will cut down and the damn noise. When click I my OD808 at gig volume you have to literally talk OVER it. It's stupid loud. :hys:

What pedals are you running these days and which ones are you gassing for? :D

I think I'm about to change it up. The Tu-2 can suck my balls (although it's stood to up to almost 10 years of hard gigging abuse now), but i think I'm going to try the polytune when it comes out. I'm also about to ditch my MIJ AD-9 in favor of a Carbon Copy, just for the added time. I find myself wanting more than just 300ms, more like 380 or 400.

I'm also thinking about ditching my Picture Wah and trying an Area 51 wah.


Let's see, right now I'm running a SD-1, DS-1, TS-10, Yamaha Flanger, MojoVibe, 25 yr old Crybaby, DD3, and pitchblack tuner. Gassing for a Suhr Riot, that pedal is bad ass! :scared:

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My board is crazy noisy at home but wasn't bad at all at my last gig. I have an NS-2 on the way to help with the OD in front of the amp...that's the only noise I heard at my gig. hopefully that solves the problem. I use a powerall to power the OD and an aby box.

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tweed wrote:

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This is definitely your noise culprit

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If the board is truly as loud as you say, don't just mask the noise with gates. get it as quiet as possible first by getting an Isolated power supply, check the routing of power wires/wall warts on your board. remove each pedal one by one and isolate the sources .once the noise is tamed you can then get rid of any OD or preamp hiss with a gate. the ISP decimator is great.

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The PPII+ will help out due to each output being isolated, I have some noise due to the tubevibe but it is not bad.

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AmpliFIRE wrote:
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This is definitely your noise culprit


Yeah but it sounds great so it stays :D

I also have the noise with the CB out of the chain.

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If the board is truly as loud as you say, don't just mask the noise with gates. get it as quiet as possible first by getting an Isolated power supply, check the routing of power wires/wall warts on your board. remove each pedal one by one and isolate the sources .once the noise is tamed you can then get rid of any OD or preamp hiss with a gate. the ISP decimator is great.


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The pedal power will fix your noise. Try and keep it far away from your wah though. You have a combination of noise ground loops from daisy chaining and also noise from the shitty one spot. Dave

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The pedal power will fix your noise. Try and keep it far away from your wah though. You have a combination of noise ground loops from daisy chaining and also noise from the shitty one spot. Dave

Thanks Dave! I think i'm going to give it a shot. :yes:

Regarding the PP2+, do you know if its safe to run multiple pedals off of the courtesy AC out on the back of the unit? Specifically the Whammy 1 and Sobbat Glowvibe? I was thinking about hooking up something like this:

http://www.homedepot.com/Electrical-Ele ... ogId=10053

...to run them both off of. though I'm worried that may introduce more noise and/or the amperage of the pedals won't be correct.


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Telephant wrote:
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Any power supplies close to your wah? They pick up lots of noise.

Yeah the power strip is at the "top" of my board so it's probably 5 inches away or so.

Which brings me to another point, everytime I turn on my wah pedal it hums ridiculously loud. It did it with my Roger Mayer 9090A wah as well. :doh:

Try moving the wah farther away and see if it helps.

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The voodoo labs PP2+ is a great unit and should solve your noise issues since it has isolated outputs.

I use Godlyke Poweralls and they are quiet. The key is knowing what pedals you can daisy chain off each other. I would start by running your wah off a battery and everything else on the one-spot. Keep trying all the pedals one at a time on a battery, with the rest running on the one-spot. You should be able to pin point the issue pretty quickly.


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I used the One Spot, too... and it SUCKS :lol: :LOL: It makes a lot of noise (even when there is no unit connected). When you switch your amp on and and then put the One Spot in the power outlet you will hear the brizz- noise...
Now I use a T-Rex fuel Tank Junior. It has 5 separatet 9 V outputs and is not too expensive. I hope this will help you! I have two of them (one for the floor and the other one in the rack) and both work fine and without noise. I didn´t try the Vodoolab because I only have 9V- units (so I don´t need the other features) and it is very expensive.

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My one-spot is crazy. If I just use it for my 9 volt dirt stomps, it gets noisy. When I connect the "special Line6" adapter for my DM4, the noise is gone. :confused:
Either way, I want a PP2 with the isolated taps.

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Telephant wrote:
killertone wrote:
Yeah, Shea. The PP2+ will cut out the noise. I use them on two different boards and they are quiet.

This what I want to hear. :rock:


Sometimes it doesn't help though.
I re-did my friends noisy boards with a PP2+ (which he bought on my recommendation) and it was just as noisy.
We did some experimenting and tried std cables instead of his George L's and the noise went away significantly.
I find the no-solder cables like George L's and Lava (which I both use) can add noise sometimes depending on how they were assembled.

One of my boards has a one spot powering 7 pedals (I'm using George L's on that one) and my rig is dead quiet with a strat...go figure :confused:

Just some of my findings. :D

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Get RID of the One Spot, those things are horrible... get a voodoo labs pedal power 2, problem solved...

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I have a PP 2 with a One Spot plugged into the power outlet on the back of the PP 2. It's dead silent.

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I have a PP 2 with a One Spot plugged into the power outlet on the back of the PP 2. It's dead silent.


Great idea to expand your power connections. :lol: :LOL:

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I went from a one spot to a voodoo labs pp2 and it cut down noise to almost non-existent even with the crap patch cables I had for a time. The pp2 is good because it has isolated outputs which is waht cuts down the noise. You can daisy chain more than one pedal on each output depending on their ma draw. You can make you own power cables for this http://www.beavisaudio.com has a tutorial on it or some companies make them. If you don't want to pay the price for pp2 one of the BBE power blocks is supposed to be a clone of the pp2 though I don't remember which one. The pp2 is now overkill for me sort of as I only need to power 4 pedals, but I'm just gonna keep using it as it's reliable. My chain goes Keeley modded rat>Ox effects oxfuzz(ge fuzz face)>ox effects oxdrive(rangemaster clone)>mxr carbon copy>line 6 echo park>keeley modded small stone into a 71 ampeg vt22. Both the fuzz faze and rangemaster are battery power only


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I have a PP 2 with a One Spot plugged into the power outlet on the back of the PP 2. It's dead silent.


Great idea to expand your power connections. :lol: :LOL:


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I find the no-solder cables like George L's and Lava (which I both use) can add noise sometimes depending on how they were assembled.

I don't use the George L's ends as much anymore....I like soldering a reg switchcraft type plug on the George L cable better.

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Greazygeo wrote:
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I find the no-solder cables like George L's and Lava (which I both use) can add noise sometimes depending on how they were assembled.

I don't use the George L's ends as much anymore....I like soldering a reg switchcraft type plug on the George L cable better.


I have a box of George L plugs that I never use.
They are great when your board is "set and forget"....but I have a pedal addictions and keep swapping things all the time.
The Lava's are just as bad imo, and I love Lava.

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moltenmetalburn wrote:
If the board is truly as loud as you say, don't just mask the noise with gates. get it as quiet as possible first by getting an Isolated power supply, check the routing of power wires/wall warts on your board. remove each pedal one by one and isolate the sources .once the noise is tamed you can then get rid of any OD or preamp hiss with a gate. the ISP decimator is great.


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Yeah, plug each pedal in individually to see if one of them in particular is making a bunch of noise, then worry about a gate afterwards if you need one. Otherwise it's kind of like driving your car, and when your engine suddenly starts to make a funny noise you just turn up the stereo so you don't hear it anymore :)

FWIW I use a Dunlop DC Brick and it's been great for me so far, better than the Boss daisy chain I had going before (bit cheaper than the PP2 as well). However, no matter what I always use a battery in my wah- the three I've tried just hiss like crazy with AC for some reason...they were all Dunlop though (95, 95Q, Zakk), don't know if that makes a difference :confused: Not much of a pedal guy these days though...

Also I remember seeing EBtech had some different cheaper hum eliminators, dunno if those will help though since I've never used 'em...they had a humX that you could just put on the end of a plug to get rid of ground loop hum, not sure if that would work on the one spot :confused: My hunch is that wouldn't help with hiss but I have no idea...

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