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PostPosted: Tue, Feb 01, 2011 8:36pm 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z_1dsqJqXE

I can't be the only fan of his here. Awesome vibrato and I have always liked his phrasing. Kind of like a best of Shenker and Yngwie with a bit of his own thing going on as well. His gear? nice and simple. A guy who isn't afraid to use stock equipment and doesn't need to mod the hell out of everything he has. wah-chorus-tuner-old delay. v30's and channel switching 2205's with KT88's and he makes it happen. I guess this is another glowing endorsement for "tone is in the fingers" I guess because he has it. I also find it kind of funny that here we are spending hundreds on all these pedals and I bet him and Warren could grab an off the shelf SD-1 and make it rip through solid state fender practice amp.

Also note that he is from the Lynch era and his chops are still 100% in tact. :thumbsup: case in point.. warming up for a show on a crappy practice amp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9HUsQg_ ... re=related


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Norum ROCKS!! :rawk: One of my biggest influences for sure, i actually picked up the guitar after hearing him play on Europe's Final Countdown album which i had on a cassette at the time.

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His vibrato is insane... I do kind of wish he'd go back to rocking the super strats but I guess the les pauls are his thing now.


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Unless you counted 4 preamp tubes around the back there, those are channel switching JCM800 2205's meaning they use diode clipping for the boost. Hence the reason people complain about the "fizz" on the amps from time to time. He isn't cheating, the pedal gain is built into the amp! ;) "stock" is "stock"!


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Wait a minute.. I counted 4 preamp tubes too. I'm guessing this is for the effects loop as to my knowledge these did not come with an extra preamp tube for gain.


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i've been made to beleave the Ocean mod is based on stuff Mark did for John?


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And one more pro who's using V30's. And what! No Charvel's! :lol: :LOL:

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Awesome, awesome player. He has some Gary Moore/Sykes licks for sure. And he is also a great singer.

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late 80`s 2205/2210 have 4 preamp tubes from the factory,nothing magical :confused:


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Just count the pots: those are 2205 amps.

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late 80`s 2205/2210 have 4 preamp tubes from the factory,nothing magical :confused:

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He's running USA models with a stepdown transformer. He likes the sound better that way. At least with the old 2205 that he got from Schenker, and Schenker's manager is bugging him about buying back :lol: :LOL:


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I always preferred the 2203/2204 800's over the channel switching/reverb 2205's etc, the channels an reveb would bleed through on mine also and It didnt sound or feel as good as my 2203 so i offed it years ago. I have a white 84 custom with the maple 3 piece neck an love it, the maple gives it a different tone then the mahogany.


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He top wraps his LP's. I like his style! I love it when killer players have simple rigs.


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Those 2205's he uses are definitely stock, no mods other than different power tubes at that time. He no longer uses KT88's, he ditched them shortly after that tour and went with KT77's :thumbsup:

Mark Cameron was John's amp guy for quite some time and Mark confirmed those amps were indeed bone stock 2205's.

Also on the Another Destination CD that is pretty much all Cameron modded Marshall tone, aside from a couple of tracks.

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Those 2205's he uses are definitely stock, no mods other than different power tubes at that time. He no longer uses KT88's, he ditched them shortly after that tour and went with KT77's :thumbsup:

Mark Cameron was John's amp guy for quite some time and Mark confirmed those amps were indeed bone stock 2205's.

Also on the Another Destination CD that is pretty much all Cameron modded Marshall tone, aside from a couple of tracks.

I also think that a lot of the hugeness in tone guys like Norum get from there setups is the fact that they are using multiple amplifiers and in his case it's split with a chorus. You are not only hearing one amp when you hear guys like Norum, Jon Levin etc ect :rawk:

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I opened for Dokken when John was in the band and he was such a nice guy...very cordial.

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Those 2205's he uses are definitely stock, no mods other than different power tubes at that time. He no longer uses KT88's, he ditched them shortly after that tour and went with KT77's

Mark Cameron was John's amp guy for quite some time and Mark confirmed those amps were indeed bone stock 2205's.

Also on the Another Destination CD that is pretty much all Cameron modded Marshall tone, aside from a couple of tracks.

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I always enjoy rig walkthoughs like this but I wish they were more detailed. What are the details on his delay? He is showing only one switch on his pedal board for his delay (no midi switcher) is he only using one delay setting? The biggest thing I always wonder about on these things, no boost? Does he get lead boost from the board only? I couldnt make his rig work for me w/o more gear as in my band I always need a boost.


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MrDan666 wrote:
Those 2205's he uses are definitely stock, no mods other than different power tubes at that time. He no longer uses KT88's, he ditched them shortly after that tour and went with KT77's :thumbsup:

Mark Cameron was John's amp guy for quite some time and Mark confirmed those amps were indeed bone stock 2205's.

Also on the Another Destination CD that is pretty much all Cameron modded Marshall tone, aside from a couple of tracks.


He has a very interesting Schecter strat in the cover of that album, and on the booklet he is with a Superstrat with only 1 humbucker. Do you know anything about those guitars?

I also have an Europe DVD where they are very young, and he is playing a black Superstrat with 2 humbuckers.

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He gets plenty of boost from the diode clipping in the amp and the active EMG's!


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boost above his normal rythm tone. Boost to stand out above the mix when soloing,...


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Those 2205's he uses are definitely stock, no mods other than different power tubes at that time. He no longer uses KT88's, he ditched them shortly after that tour and went with KT77's :thumbsup:

Mark Cameron was John's amp guy for quite some time and Mark confirmed those amps were indeed bone stock 2205's.

Also on the Another Destination CD that is pretty much all Cameron modded Marshall tone, aside from a couple of tracks.


He has a very interesting Schecter strat in the cover of that album, and on the booklet he is with a Superstrat with only 1 humbucker. Do you know anything about those guitars?

I also have an Europe DVD where they are very young, and he is playing a black Superstrat with 2 humbuckers.

IIRC Those were the Schecter natural series that came out years ago. I looked into them because of him and oddly enough I found them to be thin sounding. I liked the old Charvels much better at the time.

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boost above his normal rythm tone. Boost to stand out above the mix when soloing,...


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And one more pro who's using V30's. And what! No Charvel's! :lol: :LOL:


Clueless idiot. He needs to get with the times and realise the internet does not like this speaker.

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And one more pro who's using V30's. And what! No Charvel's! :lol: :LOL:


Clueless idiot. He needs to get with the times and realise the internet does not like this speaker.

:lol: :LOL:

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I think he mentioned he was using two amps split through a chorus pedal and then had a third for backup. The fourth was used by Joey. Oddly enough a guy I worked with told me he used to split his sound between JCM800 and a cheap solid state amp through a chorus pedal in the 80's. He said you haven't lived until you have tried this sound. Set them both up to the left and right of you and the sound is huge. (yes I am aware this is wet/dry, nothing new) I still haven't bothered but I'm thinking I might get an ABY box and do this so I can run my lynchbox wet and my JCM800 dry and see what type of trouble I can get into. The one thing that isn't explained though, is whether or not he runs one of those cabs dry. I am guessing he does. Those LExicons sound great though.

As for v30's, seems like more and more artists record with them or play with them live as I am guessing a great deal of the sound is mic'ed and sent through the PA's. This v30 seems to be a top choice for mic'ed speakers.


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I always enjoy rig walkthoughs like this but I wish they were more detailed. What are the details on his delay? He is showing only one switch on his pedal board for his delay (no midi switcher) is he only using one delay setting? The biggest thing I always wonder about on these things, no boost? Does he get lead boost from the board only? I couldnt make his rig work for me w/o more gear as in my band I always need a boost.

This is what I was talking about in another thread. These guys do walkthroughs of their setups and tell you I split this and do that but they never show you how.

case and point...When he splits the amp is he sending the signal to the other marshall via going into the i/p jack of the second amp or is he going to the effects return? what's the setting on the chorus? What's the settings on the amps? If using a true split Does he eq the amps differently and blend both sounds?
How are the delays setup... What settings/ milliseconds? Multi delay or mono? Lead boost how?

This is the type of stuff that these guys learn from others that is not widely talked about. It's almost like it's assumed that you know and believe me, how you split the amp and how you set the chorus will make or break the sound. :yes:

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I love Norum's playing. I always dug his Thin Lizzy covers...Opium Trail and Wild One. :rock:

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I didn't see any Lexicons. . .I saw a Roland SDE3000??

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I always enjoy rig walkthoughs like this but I wish they were more detailed. What are the details on his delay? He is showing only one switch on his pedal board for his delay (no midi switcher) is he only using one delay setting? The biggest thing I always wonder about on these things, no boost? Does he get lead boost from the board only? I couldnt make his rig work for me w/o more gear as in my band I always need a boost.

This is what I was talking about in another thread. These guys do walkthroughs of their setups and tell you I split this and do that but they never show you how.

case and point...When he splits the amp is he sending the signal to the other marshall via going into the i/p jack of the second amp or is he going to the effects return? what's the setting on the chorus? What's the settings on the amps? If using a true split Does he eq the amps differently and blend both sounds?
How are the delays setup... What settings/ milliseconds? Multi delay or mono? Lead boost how?

This is the type of stuff that these guys learn from others that is not widely talked about. It's almost like it's assumed that you know and believe me, how you split the amp and how you set the chorus will make or break the sound. :yes:



Yes, thats EXACTLY what I mean. :doh:


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boost above his normal rythm tone. Boost to stand out above the mix when soloing,...


Enter Soundman.


yeah, which is why I said


Does he get lead boost from the board only? I couldnt make his rig work for me w/o more gear as in my band I always need a boost.


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I didn't see any Lexicons. . .I saw a Roland SDE3000??


My bad, Roland SDE3000's it is.


Good point about the "how" they split their rigs as well. They quickly go over the signal path but don't really explain their settings on anything. That would be a REAL gear walkthrough.


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Why would they want to give you every little detail (assuming they know), it's not in their best interest.

Some of them probably get annoyed by the chasers who to want to copy them down to the smallest minutia.

So they "skim the surface" when describing their rigs for the sake of pr and to throw a bone.

Just my theory... :lol: :LOL:

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Why would they want to give you every little detail (assuming they know), it's not in their best interest.

Some of them probably get annoyed by the chasers who to want to copy them down to the smallest minutia.

So they "skim the surface" when describing their rigs for the sake of pr and to throw a bone.

Just my theory... :lol: :LOL:

I think it has more to do with that they didn't think of it.

As far as copying, The rig he mentions in the video has been done forever.

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I think it has more to do with that they didn't think of it.

As far as copying, The rig he mentions in the video has been done forever.


It's the cynic inside of me, can't help it. :lol: :LOL:

I'm sure it's a mixture of factors depending on the specific artist. :thumbsup:

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I think it has more to do with that they didn't think of it.

As far as copying, The rig he mentions in the video has been done forever.


It's the cynic inside of me, can't help it. :lol: :LOL:

I'm sure it's a mixture of factors depending on the specific artist. :thumbsup:


LOL! :thumbsup:

I think you are 100% correct about it being a mixture and it is most definitely depending on the specific artist!
Some guys will spill the beans (Like Petrucci) and others not so much :D

I can tell you from experiance that a lot of the 80's guys were secretive about how they got their sound.(no suprise their Im sure!)
What used to make me chuckle is that a lot of the guys who wouldn't tell you how to get a particular sound
were the same guys who told you that tone is in the fingers :hys: I used to drive them nuts by asking them if
it's all in the fingers then why wont you tell anyone what you are using? hahahaha :D

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The ones who say "it's all in the fingers" usually have the most extensive gear lists you've ever seen and won't be caught dead without this piece or that piece.

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The 2205 has indeed only three preamp valves and diode clipping. And his amps are stock except for the valves maybe. But he changes things often. Nowdays he uses a Silver Jubilee head also. Think it´s also a 50 Watter.


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I see four preamp tubes. Who cares... :lol: :LOL: FWIW, I just learned the final countdown including the solo in the last hour. Cool song and its pretty easy. :thumbsup:


Piece of piss is what it is!

I used to play it live while I was sorting out other things like talking to the singer, wiping sweat away from my forehead, changing batteries in my wireless etc. :no:

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Even the man himself puts a little Jazz in it... @0.15

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z_1dsqJqXE

I can't be the only fan of his here. Awesome vibrato and I have always liked his phrasing. Kind of like a best of Shenker and Yngwie with a bit of his own thing going on as well. His gear? nice and simple. A guy who isn't afraid to use stock equipment and doesn't need to mod the hell out of everything he has. wah-chorus-tuner-old delay. v30's and channel switching 2205's with KT88's and he makes it happen. I guess this is another glowing endorsement for "tone is in the fingers" I guess because he has it. I also find it kind of funny that here we are spending hundreds on all these pedals and I bet him and Warren could grab an off the shelf SD-1 and make it rip through solid state fender practice amp.

Also note that he is from the Lynch era and his chops are still 100% in tact. :thumbsup: case in point.. warming up for a show on a crappy practice amp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9HUsQg_ ... re=related


Yeah that practice clip... :doh: Crazy good fingers that man has... :rock:

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Norum is such a good player. I could watch him play for hours. Gets some great tone from that rig too!

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Cool video, thanks for posting. :thumbsup:

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Chubtone wrote:
The ones who say "it's all in the fingers" usually have the most extensive gear lists you've ever seen and won't be caught dead without this piece or that piece.


What about slide players??? ;)

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How in the hell does he split the signal with a stereo chorus pedal and not generate enough ground loop noise to empty the arena? No ground lifts, no ISO, no phase inversion?

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How in the hell does he split the signal with a stereo chorus pedal and not generate enough ground loop noise to empty the arena? No ground lifts, no ISO, no phase inversion?

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I didn't see where his amps were plugged in...

Perhaps there IS a ground lift on one of the amp's plug ends

Perhaps one of the cables going to amp 2-- from the stereo chorus, has the ground lifted.

:dunno:

When I was using a stereo Boogie rig, I didn't have any ground loop issues, and I wasn't lifting any grounds anywhere, nor did I have iso transformers, nor phase issues.

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2 identical heads don't make probs ground loop wise

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I wish I had realized that $50,000 ago.

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I wish I had realized that $50,000 ago.


Pffftttt, YA RIGHT-- Like that would've/could've stopped us

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