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Because not all Palestinians and not all Muslims were responsible for the attack. And that doesn't even get into the question of whether the attack itself was legitimate or not. The Geneva convention states that armed resistance is justified in an occupied territory. Furthermore, don't forget that Bin Laden himself advocated the idea that a civilian population that elects an criminal government are themselves justified targets, which is the same thing I've heard you promote.

That is exactly what Orwell's essay describes.

By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’.[1] But secondly – and this is much more important – I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognizing no other duty than that of advancing its interests.

Indifference to Reality. All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage – torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians – which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side.
But you are just as bad because you are ignoring the facts just like Orwell describes in justifying your support for Palestine.

Also I will always support my own people and culture... that is not the same as nationality. I do not support the integration of Muslims into my own country because they destroy my culture. I then lose my cultural identity and all our belief systems crumble until I end up arguing with misguided traitors that are against their own people on forums like this.
 
But you are just as bad because you are ignoring the facts just like Orwell describes in justifying your support for Palestine.
It's not support for Palestine per se, I'm against the indiscriminate bombing of women, children, the elderly, displacing and starving millions, etc. But what facts do you think I'm missing?
 
Brother it has nothing to do with Bush era neo con-ism. What it has to do with is the nasty habit Muslims have of committing terrorist attacks. And the fact that all the liberals in the world, who have no problem calling out and discriminating against Christians ( of which I am not one) fall all over themselves to defend Muslims. Even the so called “Good” Muslims treat their women like shit and think queers and anyone who don’t believe in Islam or who criticizes Islam should be put to death.

Why are you defending these animals ?
Again, I just don't see these people as Muslims or non-muslims, Gazans, etc. Per Orwell, I don't think human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’. I don't do that with progressives or "liberals" either, or Evangelicals, Christians, "deplorables", blacks, jews, whites, etc.
 
When you put a few drops of vomit into milk the milk is spoilt.

I am against mixture.
 
It's not support for Palestine per se, I'm against the indiscriminate bombing of women, children, the elderly, displacing and starving millions, etc. But what facts do you think I'm missing?
It's not indiscriminate though because they harbour them, assist them, hide them, support them. The people who perpetrated the act against Israel are just the ones that actually went out and did it. There are many more that are complicit.

Also that's Hamas' tactic. To not come out in the open and to hide in the population thinking that Israel wouldn't dare touch them. I'm glad Israel has taken the gloves off and said "sorry not this time".
 
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In all honesty I think they should all be removed from Gaza and resettled in other Muslim countries. Again it's a problem with "mixture". it doesn't work.
 
Again, I just don't see these people as Muslims or non-muslims, Gazans, etc. Per Orwell, I don't think human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’. I don't do that with progressives or "liberals" either, or Evangelicals, Christians, "deplorables", blacks, jews, whites, etc.
I could understand and accept you opposing US aid to the Israeli war effort. I can even accept and understand you supporting Hamas over Israel. I mean I think that’s F’ed up, but I can understand it. What I don’t understand is advocating that other countries align themselves against Israel. Israel doesn’t really need our help. If they are free to operate without being punished by the world for defending themselves, they’ll get the job done.

Look at what the world allowed to happen in Sudan. Look at what the world allowed to happen in Crimea. Unless I’m mistaken you’re down with letting Russia take out Ukraine. Why the passionate support for Palestinians ? At a minimum these people harbor terrorists. I don’t know how you can talk yourself out of admitting that much.
 
I could understand and accept you opposing US aid to the Israeli war effort. I can even accept and understand you supporting Hamas over Israel. I mean I think that’s F’ed up, but I can understand it. What I don’t understand is advocating that other countries align themselves against Israel.
But can you understand why he hates the Van Halen ?

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Yeah. You think he’s a bot ?
Naw, I don't think the technology exists to create retarded AI.. yet.

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I could understand and accept you opposing US aid to the Israeli war effort. I can even accept and understand you supporting Hamas over Israel. I mean I think that’s F’ed up, but I can understand it. What I don’t understand is advocating that other countries align themselves against Israel. Israel doesn’t really need our help. If they are free to operate without being punished by the world for defending themselves, they’ll get the job done.

Look at what the world allowed to happen in Sudan. Look at what the world allowed to happen in Crimea. Unless I’m mistaken you’re down with letting Russia take out Ukraine. Why the passionate support for Palestinians ? At a minimum these people harbor terrorists. I don’t know how you can talk yourself out of admitting that much.
I don't advocate countries aligning against Israel. I don't support Hamas and I don't support Israel either. I am sympathetic to the Palestinian plight but I don't excuse the crimes some Palestinians may have committed in furthering their cause either. I don't believe in this idea that "the world" is responsible for intervening in every conflict either. I'm a non-interventionist. If Israel wants to genocide Palestine I will respond with moral indignation; I will oppose the use of US taxpayer money and I will try to counter propaganda and encourage others to do the same — but that's it. It's not my fight and the world needs less fights not more. And I don't think my views are inconsistent with views of other conflicts around the world either, but if you have something specific in mind I will respond. But probably save it for another time 'cause it will likely be distracting.
 
Naw, I don't think the technology exists to create retarded AI.. yet.

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You have contributed nothing to this conversation bro. It's pretty lame. If you think I'm wrong or "Retarded" why can't you state why?
 
You have contributed nothing to this conversation bro. It's pretty lame. If you think I'm wrong or "Retarded" why can't you state why?
Anyone who comes on a guitar forum and shits on people who play Van Halen riffs is double retarded.

#DoubleTard

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It's not indiscriminate though because they harbour them, assist them, hide them, support them. The people who perpetrated the act against Israel are just the ones that actually went out and did it. There are many more that are complicit.

Also that's Hamas' tactic. To not come out in the open and to hide in the population thinking that Israel wouldn't dare touch them. I'm glad Israel has taken the gloves off and said "sorry not this time".
It is indiscriminate because there is obviously no way that these bombs are actually hitting real targets. Something like 70% of Gaza is flattened, and we know that Hamas is hiding out in hundreds of miles of underground tunnels and bunkers anyways. It's not a serious argument. And while Israel keeps claiming that Hamas is hiding out in hospitals, schools, UNWRA, refugee camps, etc., they have yet to offer any real proof of this. No, they're ethnically cleansing the area, making it uninhabitable, while telling people like yourself who are inclined to actually believe this nonsense that they are conducting a legitimate military response.
 
Anyone who comes on a guitar forum and shits on people who play Van Halen riffs is double retarded.

#DoubleTard

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I didn't say you're retarded for playing EVH riffs. You're retarded for being so opinionated and insulting while being unable to back it up. And annoying for demanding clips or guitar tests in the "Off topic" section of a guitar forum.
 
I didn't say you're retarded for playing EVH riffs. You're retarded for being so opinionated and insulting while being unable to back it up. And annoying for demanding clips or guitar tests in the "Off topic" section of a guitar forum.
Says the doofus who thinks "Palestinians" are a real thing.

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