Enjoy your $200 barrel of oil, idiots...

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Dan Gleesak said:
Eh I dunno man. The US pumps a lot of oil, but it is not the right kind of oil we need.
We buy oil from other countries because they have the types we need.
It’s not simply a matter of just drilling in the states more to get what we need.

If we wanted to be truly self sufficient we would be opening proper refineries first, and then pump more… but that doesn’t make the same people money
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1st term, we were independent
Biden closed all the refineries down and sold most of our reserves
 
Robostyle said:
1st term, we were independent
Biden closed all the refineries down and sold most of our reserves
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But even when we produced more than we used, we were still buying from other countries.
I’m just as annoyed by all the douchey “green energy” marketing as the next guy, BUT realistically as long we remain an oil dependent nation, we will never be truly energy independent.

In a perfect world the US could manufacture the equipment needed for solar and wind and other renewables, and then we could be truly independent. Might not happen but I see that as more attainable than supplying all the crude oils that we need.
 
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A significant number of U.S. oil refineries have closed or reduced capacity since 2020, driven by a combination of factors including market conditions due to the COVID-19 pandemic, transitions towards renewable fuels, and increasing regulatory pressures
. Several of these closures occurred during the Biden administration (which began in January 2021).
Here are some refineries that have closed or planned closures during the Biden administration:
  • Phillips 66 - Alliance, Belle Chasse, Louisiana:Phillips 66 announced in November 2021 that it would not reopen the Alliance refinery, which was shut down due to Hurricane Ida.
  • Limetree Bay - St. Croix, USVI: This refinery was sold to a Jamaican oil storage facility in December 2021.
  • Phillips 66 - Los Angeles, California: Phillips 66 announced its plan to shut down this refinery in the fourth quarter of 2025 due to “market dynamics”.
  • Valero - Benicia, California: Valero Energy announced plans to idle, restructure, or cease refining operations at this refinery by the end of April 2026.
  • LyondellBasell - Houston, Texas: This refinery ended operations in January 2025, after years of attempts to sell it.
It's important to note that some refineries closed before the Biden administration took office (in 2020), but their closure or conversion plans were influenced by factors that continued to affect the industry during the Biden administration. For example, several refineries in 2020 closed or decided to convert to renewable diesel production due to the pandemic's impact on demand and changing market conditions, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).
The closure of refineries has implications for the U.S. refining capacity and the domestic supply of petroleum products, particularly in regions like California, which has limited pipeline connectivity to other refining centers.



California law and refinery closure reflect ongoing challenges for the ...
Dec 9, 2024 — California law and refinery closure reflect ongoing challenges for the state's fuel market. ... On October 14, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed bill Abx2...
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Dan Gleesak said:
But even when we produced more than we used, we were still buying from other countries.
I’m just as annoyed by all the douchey “green energy” marketing as the next guy, BUT realistically as long we remain an oil dependent nation, we will never be truly energy independent.

In a perfect world the US could manufacture the equipment needed for solar and wind and other renewables, and then we could be truly independent. Might not happen but I see that as more attainable than supplying all the crude oils that we need.
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1st half of your statement i'm with ya
2nd half- solar and wind have been mostly failures especially wind. Hydro and nuclear are way better. Hell even coal is better that's why we still use it
 
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A significant number of U.S. oil refineries have closed or reduced capacity since 2020, driven by a combination of factors including market conditions due to the COVID-19 pandemic, transitions towards renewable fuels, and increasing regulatory pressures
. Several of these closures occurred during the Biden administration (which began in January 2021).
Here are some refineries that have closed or planned closures during the Biden administration:
  • Phillips 66 - Alliance, Belle Chasse, Louisiana:Phillips 66 announced in November 2021 that it would not reopen the Alliance refinery, which was shut down due to Hurricane Ida.
  • Limetree Bay - St. Croix, USVI: This refinery was sold to a Jamaican oil storage facility in December 2021.
  • Phillips 66 - Los Angeles, California: Phillips 66 announced its plan to shut down this refinery in the fourth quarter of 2025 due to “market dynamics”.
  • Valero - Benicia, California: Valero Energy announced plans to idle, restructure, or cease refining operations at this refinery by the end of April 2026.
  • LyondellBasell - Houston, Texas: This refinery ended operations in January 2025, after years of attempts to sell it.
It's important to note that some refineries closed before the Biden administration took office (in 2020), but their closure or conversion plans were influenced by factors that continued to affect the industry during the Biden administration. For example, several refineries in 2020 closed or decided to convert to renewable diesel production due to the pandemic's impact on demand and changing market conditions, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).
The closure of refineries has implications for the U.S. refining capacity and the domestic supply of petroleum products, particularly in regions like California, which has limited pipeline connectivity to other refining centers.



California law and refinery closure reflect ongoing challenges for the ...
Dec 9, 2024 — California law and refinery closure reflect ongoing challenges for the state's fuel market. ... On October 14, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed bill Abx2...
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So, most closed during Trump's term. And the ones that didn't were due to hurricanes and market sales. But, yeah. BIDEN CLOSED THEM REFINERIES DAWG
 
Robostyle said:
1st half of your statement i'm with ya
2nd half- solar and wind have been mostly failures especially wind. Hydro and nuclear are way better. Hell even coal is better that's why we still use it
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Solar and wind are by far the cheapest electricity options. That's why Texas is going big on both. China too.
 
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