Climate change is real and drives human migration...sorry MAGA

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SatanicPanic said:
I know exactly how you feel. It's either a deep character trait or flaw. I still l haven't decided.
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I don’t wish it on anyone of course, but outside of more intense and unpredictable floods, storms, droughts, wildfires; and more expensive produce from erratic growing seasons and poor soil… most who still do not see the big picture will not be alive to really see the effects of what is coming.
I probably won’t be either, but life will certainly be unpleasant for future generations. It’s a bit of a cruel joke that those who chose to ignore it, it will not be the ones who really pay for it
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I don’t wish it on anyone of course, but outside of more intense and unpredictable floods, storms, droughts, wildfires; and more expensive produce from erratic growing seasons and poor soil… most who still do not see the big picture will not be alive to really see the effects of what is coming.
I probably won’t be either, but life will certainly be unpleasant for future generations. It’s a bit of a cruel joke that those who chose to ignore it, it will not be the ones who really pay for it
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Is there any evidence that anything we could feasibly do is going to change that outcome ? The key word is feasibly. And we should probably avoid any plans that entail crippling economic hardship.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Is there any evidence that anything we could feasibly do is going to change that outcome ? The key word is feasibly. And we should probably avoid any plans that entail crippling economic hardship.
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Yes.
Warnings have been around for decades and people would rather make fun of Al Gore than feign a shred of responsibility. Ask why they should use paper straws while Taylor Swift flies in a jet.

There are a lot of people in America, if each person did a little bit it would make a big difference.
At this point I doubt there is much we can do to really affect our lifetime, but it’s pretty clear we can change things long term.

Much of Europe is leaving us in the dust. Making big changes in the US would only cripple our economy because so many other things are a priority when it comes to our budget. We wouldn’t need to print more money, just put it to things that will help the cause and not line peoples pockets

No one gave a shit about the hole in the ozone until the late 80s and it’s damn near on its way to repairing itself. The Montreal Protocol has been a resounding success so far.

It’s very simple. If you can understand that humans are causing something, there is no feasible reason why you can’t understand that humans can reverse it.
Right now the reason is that they simply don’t feel like it
 
Dan Gleesak said:
Yes.
Warnings have been around for decades and people would rather make fun of Al Gore than feign a shred of responsibility. Ask why they should use paper straws while Taylor Swift flies in a jet.

There are a lot of people in America, if each person did a little bit it would make a big difference.
At this point I doubt there is much we can do to really affect our lifetime, but it’s pretty clear we can change things long term.

Much of Europe is leaving us in the dust. Making big changes in the US would only cripple our economy because so many other things are a priority when it comes to our budget. We wouldn’t need to print more money, just put it to things that will help the cause and not line peoples pockets

No one gave a shit about the hole in the ozone until the late 80s and it’s damn near on its way to repairing itself. The Montreal Protocol has been a resounding success so far.

It’s very simple. If you can understand that humans are causing something, there is no feasible reason why you can’t understand that humans can reverse it.
Right now the reason is that they simply don’t feel like it
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I’m down as long as you ain’t outlawing my trucks or tripling my energy bills. I’m already about as environmentally friendly a lifestyle as it gets really in my estimation. I live a ways out, so yeah I gotta drive cars to go anywhere. Got my own water. Don’t pollute ( except the cars and I guess whatever is generating my electricity).
 
Your electricity bill is going up because data centers are raising demand, not because your utility started scaling out some renewables. Pass it on.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Is there any evidence that anything we could feasibly do is going to change that outcome ? The key word is feasibly. And we should probably avoid any plans that entail crippling economic hardship.
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Absolutely, yes. There are many solutions available to us that could improve outcomes without the crippling economic hardship you are concerned with. There is a middle ground. This administration doesn't care at all about that as far as i can tell. They do not have a forward thinking energy policy.
 
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SatanicPanic said:
Absolutely, yes. There are many solutions available to us that could improve outcomes without the crippling economic hardship you are concerned with. There is a middle ground. This administration doesn't care at all about that as far as i can tell. They do not have a forward thinking energy policy.
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As far as I can tell neither did the previous two administrations.
 
I've always said, and I've said it here, as the land washes into the sea, the latter's level must rise. The amount of silt, for example, being dumped 24/7 is mind-boggling.

Everything washes downwards. Landslides, mudslides, sinkholes, rivers...

Don't know what that article said @Robostyle but if it didn't mention this I'd be surprised. I haven't actually heard anyone talk about it; it's just something I figured out decades ago. I mean, how-obvious is that?
 
Monkey Man said:
I've always said, and I've said it here, as the land washes into the sea, the latter's level must rise. The amount of silt, for example, being dumped 24/7 is mind-boggling.

Everything washes downwards. Landslides, mudslides, sinkholes, rivers...

Don't know what that article said @Robostyle but if it didn't mention this I'd be surprised. I haven't actually heard anyone talk about it; it's just something I figured out decades ago. I mean, how-obvious is that?
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That article said that the seas aren't really rising much, if at all. And that the studies that said the seas were rising, were using faulty testing and data.
 
Ah gotcha mate; thanks.

That is true. They're gonna rise 'though as the land gets washed-in, albeit slowly.

More-slowly, I might add, than the rate at which tropical islands will grow thanks to coral growth, which is pretty-fast. I know - I've kept it and watched it grow many times over the years.
 
Robostyle said:
That article said that the seas aren't really rising much, if at all. And that the studies that said the seas were rising, were using faulty testing and data.
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You should probably read the article again.
But based on how you worded that I highly doubt it will matter lol
 
Dan Gleesak said:
You should probably read the article again.
But based on how you worded that I highly doubt it will matter lol
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You're always right, the world's all wrong.
I will say this Dan- you come across as a douche on here, but i think you're a great guitar player. FWIW
 
Robostyle said:
You're always right, the world's all wrong.
I will say this Dan- you come across as a douche on here, but i think you're a great guitar player. FWIW
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I don’t think the dude who did the study would appreciate your take on it either.

It was a great study with a focus on local vs global sea level studies done by an engineer who is saying that more local studies should be done when constructing near the sea instead of relying too heavily on global trends or predictions.

He was very strict on what data he used for this study, which is great, but it also meant only about 20% of global data was stringent enough to fall into his guidelines for the study.


This is the actual study if you care to read that and not a random journalist’s spin on it

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/13/9/1641
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I don’t think the dude who did the study would appreciate your take on it either.

It was a great study with a focus on local vs global sea level studies done by an engineer who is saying that more local studies should be done when constructing near the sea instead of relying too heavily on global trends or predictions.

He was very strict on what data he used for this study, which is great, but it also meant only about 20% of global data was stringent enough to fall into his guidelines for the study.


This is the actual study if you care to read that and not a random journalist’s spin on it

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/13/9/1641
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So many words in that article. I lost interest after 5 mins. You win.
 
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