Racerxrated
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You can always grab a 50w JMP 1987 and a Marshall TV cab, newer production. They sound killer and the 50 won't fry the cab. But like everything these days, an early 70s version will run 2500-3500.
I finally get the Badlander- it's voiced like the Rev C.
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Tone Monster
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Sell me a Rev C. Pretty please? You know it’s going to a great home with one of its cousins.
Wizard of Ozz
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I'll keep you in mind.
Not really interested in selling anymore right now. And yes... people have thrown some crazy numbers at me.
Tone Monster
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Thx! I mean, do you really need 3?
I'll keep you in mind.
Not really interested in selling anymore right now. And yes... people have thrown some crazy numbers at me.
Wizard of Ozz
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Completely agree 100 percent. It is not at ALL the same as a rev C, in the least to me.
Racerxrated
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Yes. There is NO other answer.Thx! I mean, do you really need 3?
Racerxrated
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I think they were going for it though...kinda like the JP2C is an attempt at a C+(and sorry, not that close) the BL might be the same attempt, at least with the upper mid voicing. I've heard some similarities in clips; but talking to a few who have Cs and Ds they say the same thing...the originals have something that the BL just doesn't quite get. When I had my last F Triple, I played a MW Triple at a local shop and it was pretty far away from my F. Nice amp on its own though.
Dude --I have that in stock in my basement ! LOL !! Actually , I really have that combination LOL!!
GJgo
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There are a lot of guys out there that are not interested in buying a 30+ YO high dollar amp, and would prefer something new that approximates it. I get it, I was that way before I experienced my first real IIC+. Plus we need these guys to help keep these amp makers in business.
Something else that's interesting. When the MkV came out lots of people said "it's great, but claiming MkIV and MkIIC+ mode was not really the right choice because they didn't nail it, why not let the amp stand on its own?" Same argument with the JP. Then, amps like the MultiWatt & the Badlander come out that are (IMO) in the spirit of the F and the C respectively, but not at all claimed, so they can stand on their own- but then guys that haven't owned them all will never make the connection. Think about that for a minute- which is really the better way to market amps?
Something else that's interesting. When the MkV came out lots of people said "it's great, but claiming MkIV and MkIIC+ mode was not really the right choice because they didn't nail it, why not let the amp stand on its own?" Same argument with the JP. Then, amps like the MultiWatt & the Badlander come out that are (IMO) in the spirit of the F and the C respectively, but not at all claimed, so they can stand on their own- but then guys that haven't owned them all will never make the connection. Think about that for a minute- which is really the better way to market amps?
BesaMoogie
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Wow, that`s crazy dude! Do they all sound plus minus the same or is one of them like ruling the others?
Tone Junkie
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Off topic but I wonder if Mesa would consider doing a rerelease of some of the older Recto revisions. They seem to he highly sought after.
Just thinking out loud. Maybe start a email campaign
Just thinking out loud. Maybe start a email campaign
GJgo
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The MultiWatt is voiced like the Rev F (but with actual good cleans), that's really the sweet spot for Recto tone.Off topic but I wonder if Mesa would consider doing a rerelease of some of the older Recto revisions. They seem to he highly sought after.
Just thinking out loud. Maybe start a email campaign
SBlue
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The only similarity I've found between the Badlander and my Rev C was the strong midrange and the brand.
My Rev C has a lot more gain and an infinite amount of tight low end that the Badlander could not copy, not even with an eq pedal, either pushing the front end or in the loop, adding more low end.
I've found the Badlander to be a great amp, as long as you don't try to compare it with other Boogies.
My impression was that they tried to make an amp that focus on the more modern 8/9 string players, that uses OD pedals to shave low end off. Like the Meshuggah amp witht the 33, but less a whinny of a tone.
I could be wrong here too, but at least that's what I heard from it's tone.
But my Rev C? It's one of the amp with the biggest low end I've heard to this day. It has even more low end than any other Dual Rectifier I've owned. It just happen to have a lot of mids and presence too.
My Rev C has a lot more gain and an infinite amount of tight low end that the Badlander could not copy, not even with an eq pedal, either pushing the front end or in the loop, adding more low end.
I've found the Badlander to be a great amp, as long as you don't try to compare it with other Boogies.
My impression was that they tried to make an amp that focus on the more modern 8/9 string players, that uses OD pedals to shave low end off. Like the Meshuggah amp witht the 33, but less a whinny of a tone.
I could be wrong here too, but at least that's what I heard from it's tone.
But my Rev C? It's one of the amp with the biggest low end I've heard to this day. It has even more low end than any other Dual Rectifier I've owned. It just happen to have a lot of mids and presence too.
You probably aren’t deaf… high gain amps sound better cold… it’s. Fact… fight me on this, anyone.
I bias all my amps colder than what that often reccomend. Better, tighter low end, better high end, less bloated and smeared midrange. My Herbert, JMP etc, all biased around 28-29 ma per el34/kt77/6ca7. I’ve been saying this for years… it’s better cold for metal rhythms AND leads. Alittle not so well known secret for sure. But I do love people acting like their bias modded 5150 biased hot sounds better, pretty hillarious. #IfYouThinkThatSoundsBetterYouArentListening
Racerxrated
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I think it’s a commonality that amps that rely on mostly preamp gain, to sound better with a colder bias vs say a Marshall that wants to open up with a hotter biased power section.You probably aren’t deaf… high gain amps sound better cold… it’s. Fact… fight me on this, anyone.
I bias all my amps colder than what that often reccomend. Better, tighter low end, better high end, less bloated and smeared midrange. My Herbert, JMP etc, all biased around 28-29 ma per el34/kt77/6ca7. I’ve been saying this for years… it’s better cold for metal rhythms AND leads. Alittle not so well known secret for sure. But I do love people acting like their bias modded 5150 biased hot sounds better, pretty hillarious. #IfYouThinkThatSoundsBetterYouArentListening
But 14/18 ma? That’s just super cold…but if it works, it works
When I say cold, I mean under 25ma. My 67 Plexi likes it around 30.
GJgo
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When my friends come over with their Peaveys / etc.. it's nice because we can bias on the fly & pick what works best based on actual pot-turning tones. The ONE thing that will always frustrate me about Mesas is I can't do that.You probably aren’t deaf… high gain amps sound better cold… it’s. Fact… fight me on this, anyone.
I bias all my amps colder than what that often reccomend. Better, tighter low end, better high end, less bloated and smeared midrange. My Herbert, JMP etc, all biased around 28-29 ma per el34/kt77/6ca7. I’ve been saying this for years… it’s better cold for metal rhythms AND leads. Alittle not so well known secret for sure. But I do love people acting like their bias modded 5150 biased hot sounds better, pretty hillarious. #IfYouThinkThatSoundsBetterYouArentListening
I could easily record this comparo with the Rev C of the Tverb using those 5881s, call out the high vs low bias mA, and let people decide for themselves.
