saxxamafone
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Sounds cool mate! crispy
I never could get the 421 to work eitherâŚsold mine and quit using Sennheiser mics on guitar all together. Just donât like the harsh edge they have. 57âs work for me. The I5 is pretty good too.I need to fuck with the 57/421 more, everyone gets sick tones with that combo but me lol
I have been fortunate to work with drummers that new how to tune their drums over the years. Doing live sound with them was always a breeze. Rarely had to eq much of anything, just a bit of gating normally. The nights with a badly tuned kit with worn out headsâŚugh no fun.You are literally proving my Fucking point, how do you not see that? 8-12 guitars, who cares, whatever. It sounds great. Yes the drums sound like the way they should sound for that record. No one is saying they donât. But there IS NOTHING NATURAL ABOUT THOSE TONES. How do you not get this? Let me know when you mic up your drums and they sound like that , or plug into your super overrated 2c+ and it sounds just like the black album? It doesnât does it? Are drum kits micâd up with no eq even CLOSE to those sounds? Fucking fuck no. Have you ever heard a drum kit micâd up with nothing on it? THAT is natural. Subtle eq is NATURAL. Massive amounts of compression, samples, layers, insane amounts of eq ( listen to the Fucking toms man) is NOT â NATURALââŚ.
I never could get the 421 to work eitherâŚsold mine and quit using Sennheiser mics on guitar all together. Just donât like the harsh edge they have. 57âs work for me. The I5 is pretty good too.
I donât know much about recording yet, but what about the 57/E906 combo? Zen had a close mic clip of that that I thought sounded really good
The 421 was new when I bought it about ten years ago I think. Tried it for a couple years off and on, never could figure it out.Yea it doesnât always work for sure, but I do like where the 421 scoops things and makes a 57 not as boxy at times. When I want alittle more low end or that nice scoopage with a nice spike on the top end, the 57/421 combo is usually what I go for. The older ones sound completely different and are killer as well.
The 421 was new when I bought it about ten years ago I think. Tried it for a couple years off and on, never could figure it out.
Im having pretty good luck using this old 80âs 57 on one speaker and another 57 on a second speaker. My friend left me another 57 to play with, has a modded transformer or something. Seems to mix pretty nice.
Want to pick up a VR1 to play with next I think.
I donât know much about recording yet, but what about the 57/E906 combo? Zen had a close mic clip of that that I thought sounded really good
I never could get the 421 to work eitherâŚsold mine and quit using Sennheiser mics on guitar all together. Just donât like the harsh edge they have. 57âs work for me. The I5 is pretty good too.
In my mic stash are about 7 57âsâŚone is old from the 80âs I bought off a friend. He had a bunch of them that I went thru and picked this one as the best one for me. The others I bought new at various times in the early 2000âs. There is one that sounds like crap, the others sound pretty close to each other.I actually have two SM57's fro, only a couple of years apart, and both sound pretty different. I'm aware all mics sound slightly different from each other, but these two almost sound like people would describe the difference between modern 57's and original Unidynes. I bought both from the same store, even, so there's now way one is fake and the other isn't. One is smoother, fatter, and quieter. The other is louder, tighter, and more aggresive. Both MIM. I personally prefer the brighter one. The other one sounds almost as if it had the transformer removed.
I also got a Beta 57A at the same time I got the second SM57, and that one sounds like shit. I don't know if that's how they're supposed to sound? I bought it thinking "yeah, it's more expensive, should be better". It's super hot in output, but it has like now lows or highs at all. Is that how they're supposed to be?
Beta 57 or Beta 57A?In my mic stash are about 7 57âsâŚone is old from the 80âs I bought off a friend. He had a bunch of them that I went thru and picked this one as the best one for me. The others I bought new at various times in the early 2000âs. There is one that sounds like crap, the others sound pretty close to each other.
I have a Beta 57 that sounds goodâŚlike a flatter response 57, more output and a wider pickup pattern. Used it alot for awhile, now just been using a couple 57âs.
Thatâs been my finding too so far when going back from trying multiple to starting over with just one 57. I definitely prefer this more punchy, in your face sound, but itâs just lacking still some body or depth imo and zenâs clip had some of that missing piece when he combined some of the E906. Maybe I just gotta place it a little better, not sure yet. Fwiw, I do already have quite a few different mics anyway lol including an E906Eh, those two are so much in the same vein I donât see the point. Donât go down the rabbit hole of thinking more mics is better, because it 100 percent never is âbetterâ. Itâll never be as punchy and in your face with 2 mics vs one 57, just something to keep in mind. Itâs physics, two mics are always going to have some form of phase cancellation, thus loosing frequencies ( normally in the low end and low mids), always rememeber that. Your ears will trick you and youâll think itâs better because itâs louder, but if you level matched it compared to just a single 57, youâll realize real quick itâs not. Or at the very least its different, and definitely not a whole ton better than what you thought when you heard it loud.
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Dude, it's just a subtle room mic addition to the tone, of course it's not gonna show up on the main tracks. I know they're scooped to hell.Thatâs great and all⌠but I posted the eq curve of the guitar tone. Even the notes say that stuff was notched down, not only in the loop, but clearly was during the mixing cycle on the ssl console. Therefore, no one is âboostingâ the stuff youâre saying. Thereâs a big bump in the cab resonance like everyone said about 160hz, but you just ignore saying itâs a giant spike at 300! No it isnât, look at the curve man, it doesnât lie. The 160 dominates it, the area youâre talking about notched down.
If you have that stuff going into it cool, but if it gets cut down and sculpted, youâre not boosting stuff.
Itâs just like when people throw an sm57 right on the grill and it has a HUGE hump of low end, every record you hear this on gets hi-passed. Then further sculpted down from there as needed to fit a mix.
But, you wouldnât know this because you donât mic anything up, and just talk out of your ass.