Proof the earth is flat

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The other thread is filled with examples and evidence of globe earth with our resident flat earthers refuting those claims and/or asking for more proof. What I don’t see from them is any evidence or attempt to explain how observations or math fits the flat earth model.

Here’s the opportunity to present and explain evidence of flat earth. Some basic things I’d like to see presented.
  • mathematical models for explaining how things work on flat earth
  • use the math models to make predictions of astronomical occurrences or backtrack astronomical events
  • show how what we physically observe matches the flat earth model,
  • Show that evidence works on a large scale and not just a localized are; i.e. the full scale of flat earth
  • Any other evidence that you think is relevant with an explanation of how it works.
Direct observations, indirect measurements, mathematical formulas, and to an extent theoretical models will be acceptable as evidence. Feel free to use your own notes, reference someone else’s experiments, and even materials from flat earth experts. Basically anything you can present that supports flat earth.

Please keep in mind this is to present evidence that supports the flat earth model, not to try disproving globe earth. Let the body of facts and evidence speak for itself and hold up to scrutiny. Will the observations, math, predictions, etc. match and strongly support the flat earth model?

These are all things that are expected of the evidence for globe earth and would be reasonable expectations for flat earth as well.

To start things off, here are a couple of thing I would like explained how they work on the flat earth model.

Sunsets:
My understanding of the sun on a flat earth model is always above the earth and it moves in circles above the earth. This would mean the sun moves toward and away from morning to mid-day and mid-day to night respectively. What we observe is the sun staying the same size throughout the entire day and a hard line as the sun disappears and appears going from day to night and night to day respectively. How does the flat earth model explain this observation?

Line of sight:
There are videos people zooming in on an object, usually a ship as it moves away from the observer. On a flat plane with sufficient magnification should you not be able to see the object (boat) unless something obstructs your view? What we observe is no matter the amount of magnification we can only observe the object (boat) for a distance until is “disappears” from the bottom up. How does the flat earth model explain this observation?

Stars:
How does the flat earth model explain seeing different sets of starts depending on where you are at on the earth? Shouldn’t everyone see the same set of starts regardless of location, just at different angles?

24 hour daylight in Antarctica:
According to the flat earth model Antarctica is the ice wall with circles the earth. 24 hours of daylight has been observed; even by flat earthers, in Antarctica/ice wall. How is this observation possible on the flat earth model?

Last thing to close the OP out…

I won’t speak for everyone, but on a personal note I vow not to make insults towards anyone in this thread. My interactions will be to ask questions, request further explanations and generally stay on topic of observations and evidence matching the flat earth model and holding said observations/evidence up to the same standards as any other scientific model.
 
Radio waves, geomagnetic field, ocean currents, weather patterns, climates, signal travel time from numerous locations, satellite communication requirements, etc..; all some other small details that will need explaining by flat earth/non globe earthers.
 
Monkey Man said:
This thread makes sense 'cause these days the burden of proof must lie with the flat-earthers.
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After stepping back a bit I think this has discussion has been pretty fascinating. While I whole heartedly accept the things we have been taught about science, and the advances we’ve made like space travel and satellites; it’s interesting how tricky it is to prove the earth is actually round with only “tangible” evidence. It really shows how small we are in this world.
It’s like stripping away your pedalboard and rack gear, and just finding your tone plugging straight in.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
After stepping back a bit I think this has discussion has been pretty fascinating. While I whole heartedly accept the things we have been taught about science, and the advances we’ve made like space travel and satellites; it’s interesting how tricky it is to prove the earth is actually round with only “tangible” evidence. It really shows how small we are in this world.
It’s like stripping away your pedalboard and rack gear, and just finding your tone plugging straight in.
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That's not particularly a great analogy but your point is well taken regardless. Although I disagree with @VonBonfire and @Bad Brain (and others) on this topic, that doesn't mean I can't try to understand their thinking or beliefs. For example, if someone says they follow the word of the Bible and there are no metaphors, believing it to be literal without symbolism, then I have to respect that. That is their religious belief. Conversely, if someone says they believe the Earth is flat because we can't see this massive sphere with our own eyes - I get that too. Nothing wrong with being skeptical. :dunno:

That said, I believe that lenses in telescopes are not fake. I believe that not all pictures are fake. I believe that cameras can take pictures without the 'fisheye' lens. I believe that mankind has developed rockets that can go very very high. And I firmly believe that the world governments are not purposely trying to trick 7 billion people into thinking the Earth is a globe for no apparent reason.

If I did - I surely would go insane.

Lastly, it is fairly easy to see that objects in the universe are spheres. Just watch the moons rotate around Jupiter. Witness a total eclipse in totality. Buy a decent telescope and trust the lens work as intended. Get on a boat on a big body of water and travers hundreds of miles. Get on a plane and fly across the county. The Earth is fucking huge. But my senses tell me I'm on a sphere.

I guess all the observers, calculators, scientists and leaders going back in time were just tricking people:


AI Overview
The origins of astronomy can be traced back to ancient civilizations that meticulously observed the sky, laying the foundation for what would become a scientific discipline. Early humans, driven by a need to understand time, seasons, and perhaps even divine influences, began to systematically record celestial movements, leading to the development of calendars and the identification of constellations. Key early developments in astronomy occurred in Mesopotamia, particularly among the Sumerians, Babylonians, and Assyrians, who created star catalogs, tracked planetary movements, and developed the first rudimentary astronomical tools.

Here's a more detailed look at the origins:
Early Observations and Calendar Development:
Ancient civilizations, including the Sumerians and Egyptians, used astronomy to understand the cycles of the sun, moon, and stars, which helped them organize their lives, especially for agriculture. The Sumerians, for example, developed a sexagesimal system (base-60) to measure time, which is still used today.

Mesopotamian Astronomy:
The Babylonians and Assyrians, inheriting knowledge from the Sumerians, made detailed records of celestial events, including planetary movements and lunar phases. They also developed star catalogs and were among the first to recognize the planets visible to the naked eye (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn).

Influence of Mesopotamia on Greece:
Greek astronomers, such as Aristarchus of Samos and Hipparchus, built upon the astronomical knowledge of the Babylonians. Aristarchus even proposed a heliocentric model of the solar system, where the Earth and other planets revolved around the Sun, though this idea didn't gain widespread acceptance at the time.

Ancient Greek Contributions:
The Greeks, particularly in Alexandria, developed astronomy further, with figures like Hipparchus creating star catalogs and developing the brightness scale still used today according to ESA Science & Technology.

The Geocentric Model:
The prevailing model in ancient Greece, and for centuries after, was the geocentric model, which placed the Earth at the center of the universe.

Technological Advancements:
Ancient civilizations also developed tools for astronomical observation, such as sundials and the Antikythera mechanism, an early analog computer used to predict astronomical positions.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
After stepping back a bit I think this has discussion has been pretty fascinating. While I whole heartedly accept the things we have been taught about science, and the advances we’ve made like space travel and satellites; it’s interesting how tricky it is to prove the earth is actually round with only “tangible” evidence. It really shows how small we are in this world.
It’s like stripping away your pedalboard and rack gear, and just finding your tone plugging straight in.
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My straight in tone F’n Rawks \m/. I have a BE50 DLX and a 62 SG Jr RI With a P90. I can neuter small woodland creatures at 50 yards - or blow them straight off of flat earth.

And, no, Lisa - I’m not posting clips 😆
 
A week later an none of our flat earthers have presented any evidence whatsoever. For those who have been so adamant earth is flat they have been oddly silent. What gives?
 
MadAsAHatter said:
A week later a none of our flat earthers have presented any evidence whatsoever. For those who have been so adamant earth is flat they have been oddly silent. What gives?
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Preoccupied bro. One is on Dan’s nuts and the other one is dealing with the terrible flooding that killed a bunch of children near his home.
 
Robostyle said:
Isn't there an ice wall? And a huge turtle is involved?
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My argument for round earth and gravity here is a pretty good actual example of me using circular logic, but @Bad Brain was the only one to pick up on it.
Good news is that the ozone over the arctic is slowly healing, so the ice wall is here to stay a bit longer
 
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