$25,000 Blackmachine

[Whowantsamustache]

Maybe it would have been a better idea to come here with some actual facts about the guitar you are discrediting instead of just insinuating them.

Only if Snopes could fact check guitars. I know you guys love Snopes for the real facts...

 

[narad]

Maybe it would have been a better idea to come here with some actual facts about the guitar you are discrediting instead of just insinuating them.

Only if Snopes could fact check guitars. I know you guys love Snopes for the real facts...

Way to go trying to bring politics to a blackmachine thread. I bet you're fun at parties.

As to the teardown on the other FF8, a ton of people saw it. I don't need to literally bring it here...just ask around. People who are into blackmachines have seen it. People who would have been serious potential buyers have probably seen it. It's unfortunate I don't have it, but I don't immediately save everything I see on the internet in case of deletion.

 

[mooncobra]

If they paired that listing with the luthier breakdown on that other blackmachine FF8, I doubt anyone would pay even $5k for it. That guitar was a mess.

Link?

Wish I had it saved -- it was posted to FB when the owner brought it in to a tech for some setup work. But the owner justifiably was not happy. I think it's floating around somewhere on the internet though -- I did see some discussion of it with the pics after the initial posting/deletion. It was this one, actually my favorite of the FF8s:

Literally took my favorite FF8 and turned it into a guitar I wouldn't even want.

What was wrong with it?

I brought two of my Mayones Duvells to a local tech for a setup. He does a lot of the work here in SF for touring musicians when they play in town. Said they were literally the best built guitars he's ever seen. $2800 each. Better than any guitar I've ever owned in terms of fit/finish/playability/stability. The necks never move. It blows my mind a $10K+ guitar has issues.

I got a Mayones recently, AMAZING guitars, playability is effortless, and it sounds fat yet articulate, love it!

 

[mooncobra]

What was wrong with it?

I brought two of my Mayones Duvells to a local tech for a setup. He does a lot of the work here in SF for touring musicians when they play in town. Said they were literally the best built guitars he's ever seen. $2800 each. Better than any guitar I've ever owned in terms of fit/finish/playability/stability. The necks never move. It blows my mind a $10K+ guitar has issues.

Wish I could remember, each picture had its own issue. I asked around to see if any friends have it saved -- I'm sure the post will turn up eventually.

Yea, Duvells aren't bad... I'm a bit shocked the guy said they were the best built guitars he'd ever seen. Like Mayones builds a nice guitar and I don't recall ever seeing a flaw in one, but I wouldn't say mine was even close to the best in my stable. Ken Lawrence, Hartung, Huber, Sugi > Mayones, overall.

As to not having flaws on a $10k+ guitar, well, one must remember that like the Duvells, blackmachines were $3k guitars prior to Periphery.

and that dude that was on here trying to pump the price up. actually, two guys on here.

 

[Whowantsamustache]

Maybe it would have been a better idea to come here with some actual facts about the guitar you are discrediting instead of just insinuating them.

Only if Snopes could fact check guitars. I know you guys love Snopes for the real facts...

Way to go trying to bring politics to a blackmachine thread. I bet you're fun at parties.

As to the teardown on the other FF8, a ton of people saw it. I don't need to literally bring it here...just ask around. People who are into blackmachines have seen it. People who would have been serious potential buyers have probably seen it. It's unfortunate I don't have it, but I don't immediately save everything I see on the internet in case of deletion.

Weak.

 

[Bloodrock]

Mischa can’t afford this guitar he’s so broke! Lol. Djent has gone disco, as it should.

 

[Bloodrock]

Mischa can’t afford this guitar he’s so broke! Lol. Djent has gone disco, as it should.

 

[narad]

The breakdown was done by AVH Guitar Repair. This is what he had to say about it:

"I've seen thousands of guitars pass through my hands and by my bench in over 30yrs, and I have never seen as over-hyped an instrument as a Blackmachine. I've seen 2 and worked on one. Indeed, they are made from outstanding cuts of wood, but there was a strange mix of genuine, top craftsmanship and primitive, almost lackadaisical short-cuts and parts that frankly, IMO, do not befit a guitar of this almost mythical hype and pricing demands.

Upon first inspection I too was very impressed by it's appearance - they really are gorgeous guitars. But the one I completely took apart and scrutinized closely revealed some surprising things that I do not expect to see on a guitar costing 5-10k. The overall quality, finishing and attention to detail was far more apparent in the examples of Mayones guitars that I've played, and I can only imagine that the stellar-looking Daemoness guitars (judging from hi-res pics) appear to be maybe a better 'value' for the cash.

So yeah, they are very nice guitars...but not 5k + nice. And I would never part with multiple instruments for one, that's for certain.

But each to their own devices, just my opinion."

http://www.metalguitarist.org/forum/gui ... ble-2.html

Funny he mentioned Mayones. I've had some tiny flaws/issues on my Daemonesses vs. Mayones, but the Daemonesses have always sounded better and been more comfortable.

 

[narad]

Mischa can’t afford this guitar he’s so broke! Lol. Djent has gone disco, as it should.

He just bought a Ferrari like last month...

 

[Whowantsamustache]

So Misha cry’s about not being able to make a living playing in Periphery but just bought a Ferrari last month.

I guess hyping gear to little rich kids on SS.org pays off.

 

[Mailman1971]

So Misha cry’s about not being able to make a living playing in Periphery but just bought a Ferrari last month.

I guess hyping gear to little rich kids on SS.org pays off.

I drive a 2010 Chevy cobalt with dings in the front end.

 

[FourT6and2]

What was wrong with it?

I brought two of my Mayones Duvells to a local tech for a setup. He does a lot of the work here in SF for touring musicians when they play in town. Said they were literally the best built guitars he's ever seen. $2800 each. Better than any guitar I've ever owned in terms of fit/finish/playability/stability. The necks never move. It blows my mind a $10K+ guitar has issues.

Wish I could remember, each picture had its own issue. I asked around to see if any friends have it saved -- I'm sure the post will turn up eventually.

Yea, Duvells aren't bad... I'm a bit shocked the guy said they were the best built guitars he'd ever seen. Like Mayones builds a nice guitar and I don't recall ever seeing a flaw in one, but I wouldn't say mine was even close to the best in my stable. Ken Lawrence, Hartung, Huber, Sugi > Mayones, overall.

As to not having flaws on a $10k+ guitar, well, one must remember that like the Duvells, blackmachines were $3k guitars prior to Periphery.

Yeah, there's a difference betweem the off-the-shelf Duvells and the more recent Master Builder Collection ones from the custom shop. Those are the ones I have. Better built than any guitar I've come across. Sound-wise, it's all subjective. But the build quality on my MBCs is flawless. They've really upped their game.

I did have a regular Duvell Elite made a few years ago and it wasn't the same, build wise. They've made a bunch of improvements in production it seems.

 

[Whowantsamustache]

I’m doing fine with a Gibson SG.

 

[Whowantsamustache]

So Misha cry’s about not being able to make a living playing in Periphery but just bought a Ferrari last month.

I guess hyping gear to little rich kids on SS.org pays off.

I drive a 2010 Chevy cobalt with dings in the front end.

 

[Metlupass2]

I’m doing fine with a Gibson SG.

Dude you NEED to get ride of the gifs in your signature.

 

[Beyond Black]

I’m doing fine with a Gibson SG.

Dude you NEED to get ride of the gifs in your signature.

Agreed. Every one of his posts you have to scroll through a full page of bullshit...

 

[paulyc]

Because he’s a complete piece of shit that does nothing but come here and stir the fucking pot about anything and everything. Fucking ban hammer... please

 

[EXPcustom]

I’m doing fine with a Gibson SG.

Dude you NEED to get ride of the gifs in your signature.

Agreed. Every one of his posts you have to scroll through a full page of bullshit...

Never mind the signature dude just needs to bounce.

 

[Doughboy]

The thing I like about this forum over other ones is the civility, lack of trolls & the fact that religion & politics are kept out.

This guy needs a time out & a refresher on board rules.

 

[Whowantsamustache]

Wow so much hate. Have a good one.