412 cabinet with roller casters + stacks of heads = bad idea

[hopkinWFG]

Dear all giggers and tour guys....

I recently acquire a VHT CLX and i have it all stacked up with my other two VHT pittbulls... i was wondering can the 412 cabinet on roller casters be able to withstand the enormous weight from these heavy nasty heads ? Or will the rollers go bonkers gave way and all goes these pittbulls toppling off ?

 

[dirtyfunkg]

Unless the cab is total shit and already halfway deteriorated, it can handle it. Just don't roll it all around carelessly--a top heavy stack of gear like that can topple if you take a corner to hard.

 

[hopkinWFG]

Unless the cab is total shit and already halfway deteriorated, it can handle it. Just don't roll it all around carelessly--a top heavy stack of gear like that can topple if you take a corner to hard.

Is a 7 or 8 year old VHT fatbottom slanted cab... i think the structure of the cab be able but what i am afraid of is the roller casters... since my first purchase the rollers hasnt been inspected... the metal casters think has slight oxidation thou but will the rollers give way ?

 

[dirtyfunkg]

I have stacked a LOT on my Fatbottom straight. A 212 and three heads. No problem.

 

[hopkinWFG]

I have stacked a LOT on my Fatbottom straight. A 212 and three heads. No problem.

Thanks buddy... is your 212 on rollers ?

 

[dirtyfunkg]

I have stacked a LOT on my Fatbottom straight. A 212 and three heads. No problem.

Thanks buddy... is your 212 on rollers ?

No. The FatBottom 412 is, though.

Here's what I know I've done.

Marshall 2203
Fryette Sig X
Genz Benz G-Flex 212 (no casters)
VHT FB412 (Casters)

The Genz Benz is definitely heavier than any of your heads.

 

[rottingcorpse]

Upgrade your wheel,man! Get the good ones that are permanently mounted,with the bigger wheels and sealed bearings. They roll so much better,and are way more stable. And you can get them with wheel locks. I am talking about the ones you see on the big touring racks. I have them on a bunch of my cabs. After a speaker swap,it's the best upgrade you can do to a cab. And it's not like it's an expensive upgrade.

 

[hopkinWFG]

I have stacked a LOT on my Fatbottom straight. A 212 and three heads. No problem.

Thanks buddy... is your 212 on rollers ?

No. The FatBottom 412 is, though.

Here's what I know I've done.

Marshall 2203
Fryette Sig X
Genz Benz G-Flex 212 (no casters)
VHT FB412 (Casters)

The Genz Benz is definitely heavier than any of your heads.

Thanks again my friend so you stacked all up from marshall 2203 + Fryette Sig X + 212 Genz benz all on your 412 FB on casters ? Wow !

 

[hopkinWFG]

Upgrade your wheel,man! Get the good ones that are permanently mounted,with the bigger wheels and sealed bearings. They roll so much better,and are way more stable. And you can get them with wheel locks. I am talking about the ones you see on the big touring racks. I have them on a bunch of my cabs. After a speaker swap,it's the best upgrade you can do to a cab. And it's not like it's an expensive upgrade.

Hi rottingcorpse ... thanks for advise maybe one day i will... any links to it please ?

 

[sg guy]

-put the casters on the side of the cab-

-no stacking worries is just a side benefit of the real reason, casters on the bottom -DECOUPLES- the cab from the floor, you lose Bass & Thump first, then the to a progressively lesser degree mids then highs, get a piece of thick dense rubber bigger than the bottom of the cab, this -COUPLES- the cab to the floor & you get your thump back

 

[Ventura]

-put the casters on the side of the cab-

-no stacking worries is just a side benefit of the real reason, casters on the bottom -DECOUPLES- the cab from the floor, you lose Bass & Thump first, then the to a progressively lesser degree mids then highs, get a piece of thick dense rubber bigger than the bottom of the cab, this -COUPLES- the cab to the floor & you get your thump back

CONCUR!!!!!!!!! Casters remove the ground thump - and they're dangerous. Unless you've got the Persian carpet thing happening in your play space (as I'm sure we've ALL seen photos of in various studios and jam spaces), the casters are hell waiting on a hardwood or concrete floor. Some have locking casters, but still, it's not as ground-punch heavy as when the cab just sits with its rubber feet on the floor.

I remember gigging away years ago and my drummer kept yelling at me kinda laughing... I didn't know what was up but he kept nodding his head over to my right shoulder. I finally clued in where my VH4 and Diezel 412 was "supposed" to be wasn't where it was; it was slowly drifting along the stage - slowly - but seemingly effortlessly with every heavy palm mute I punched. Was kinda funny. Could have ended seriously bad. But caught it in time.

 

[Giga]

are way more stable.

I agree with all your other points but this is only true if you take the time to align them properly when stationary. If you don't, the cab falls over much easier actually....

-put the casters on the side of the cab-
-no stacking worries is just a side benefit of the real reason, casters on the bottom -DECOUPLES- the cab from the floor, you lose Bass & Thump first, then the to a progressively lesser degree mids then highs, get a piece of thick dense rubber bigger than the bottom of the cab, this -COUPLES- the cab to the floor & you get your thump back

And (re)introduces another source of mud on the stage. Coupling a guitarcab to the stage gets you in the territory the bassplayer should be living. Or that's my opinion anyway ;-)

Giga