4x12 cab top speakers are louder?

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Not sure if I am going crazy, but I was checking the output of each speaker while playing through and it seemed as though the top speakers were louder than the bottom. What could be the cause? Phase cancellation?

Thanks
 
GT75's and V30's in an X pattern. I just had another listen, and while the amp was clean, the volume levels seemed even. I originally checked with distortion on.
rcm78":g9xhar6b said:
What speakers are in the cab?
 
same impedance rating on both cabs?

as in 8 and 8?
or 16 and 16?
 
I'm sorry, I meant top speakers in the same cab. Yes...all speakers are 16 ohms.
yeti":1hhzvuh7 said:
same impedance rating on both cabs?

as in 8 and 8?
or 16 and 16?
 
FondledDuck":2655vmvm said:
I'm sorry, I meant top speakers in the same cab. Yes...all speakers are 16 ohms.
yeti":2655vmvm said:
same impedance rating on both cabs?

as in 8 and 8?
or 16 and 16?

no, i meant, do your speaker cabinets have the same combined total ohms rating....

one could be 16, while the other is wired for 4. the 4 ohm cab will be quieter. you gotta do some troubleshooting on your own to figure out if you havent what total load is coming off that cab.
 
the top cab is pointed at your head whilst the bottom cab is pointed at your knees; my ears are attached to my head, not my knees...YMMV
 
unless your wiring is messed up and some polarity is reversed there should be no "phase cancellation, " as this only happens when two frequencies of equal amplitude are 180* out of phase. phase discrepancies that you hear regularly from a 4x12 have to do with the physical distance between your acoustic receiver (ears, microphone, etc) and each sound source, because you have 4 sources and 3 dimensions of space which takes time to traverse. these are small, but very noticeable, cancellations. if you were to be equidistant from each driver and each driver were the same, you would not hear this. (although you would still hear phase in the room, but thats how we tell directionality so don't sweat that right now).

because you're doing an X, if you're very close to your rig i am sure there are inherent phase discrepancies in how each speaker handles voltage, one of the big reasons we choose one speaker over another. however, this should still not give you a "the top is louder result."

if you position yourself straight on with the cab, so that your head is close to the center of the throw, about a meter or two away, and the top still seems louder than I would have to agree with the post above that you have an impedance issues and would question your wiring. remember, 2-8ohm loads in series is 16ohms but in parallel its 4ohms.

let us know what you come up with,,
 
It's a straight cab, and I believe it's wired series/parallel.

BeZo":i7ycdeb9 said:
Is it a slant, or a straight cab? How is it wired?
 
Im dealing with one cab...wired for 16 ohms
yeti":241i959k said:
FondledDuck":241i959k said:
I'm sorry, I meant top speakers in the same cab. Yes...all speakers are 16 ohms.
yeti":241i959k said:
same impedance rating on both cabs?

as in 8 and 8?
or 16 and 16?

no, i meant, do your speaker cabinets have the same combined total ohms rating....

one could be 16, while the other is wired for 4. the 4 ohm cab will be quieter. you gotta do some troubleshooting on your own to figure out if you havent what total load is coming off that cab.
 
That would be true...if I were running a stack. I am running one 4x12 cabinet...2 of the 4 speakers (the top 2) appear to sound louder than the other 2 on the bottom.
thunda":ts5v50kb said:
the top cab is pointed at your head whilst the bottom cab is pointed at your knees; my ears are attached to my head, not my knees...YMMV
 
FondledDuck":30u0qchj said:
It's a straight cab, and I believe it's wired series/parallel.

if this is correct you shouldnt have any problems... (8+8)//(8+8)=8
my preferred 4x12 setup as well.

but wait you said its a 16ohm cab? you have the 16ohm versions of both speakers? that or you're using different wiring?

EDIT: just saw your post saying all the speakers were 16ohm, my bad.
 
The Audioengine makes a good point. If your too close to the speaker I would think the V30 on top would cut through. The GT75's are scooped so the V30's will dominate them.

Stand out in front of the cab and everything should blend in nicely.

If you still feel the top two are louder after trying that I would check the phase of the speakers using the 9volt battery trick...
 
I'll have another listen today with fresh ears. Yesterday, when I stood 8-10 feet in front, I heard equal dispersion of volume. It was only when I was literally placing my ear to the grill on each speaker that I noticed (or at least thought I noticed) a drop in output for the 2 lower speakers...one is a GT75 and the other a V30.

Im just wondering at this point, if it is a wiring issue, and ultimately an impedance issue between the top two and bottom two speakers...how much audible difference will there be?



rcm78":24crp9kd said:
The Audioengine makes a good point. If your too close to the speaker I would think the V30 on top would cut through. The GT75's are scooped so the V30's will dominate them.

Stand out in front of the cab and everything should blend in nicely.

If you still feel the top two are louder after trying that I would check the phase of the speakers using the 9volt battery trick...
 
try placing your cab on something a foot or two off the ground
 
I know you were 8-10 feet away but were you sitting on the ground? Because if not, the top ones are still going to *appear* louder because they're still pointed more at your ears than the bottom ones.
 
The 75's sensitivity is 3 decibels shy of the V30. I'm sure that's what you're hearing.
 
No, I was standing up. But when I stand away from the cab, everything sounds fine...it was only when I was right up on the speakers that I noticed a volume difference between the top 2 and the bottom 2. My remaining question is; if there is an impedance issue (incorrect wiring) would there be a very noticeable difference in volume, or would it be more subtle?

'63-Strat":252b3thc said:
I know you were 8-10 feet away but were you sitting on the ground? Because if not, the top ones are still going to *appear* louder because they're still pointed more at your ears than the bottom ones.
 
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