Alex Skolnick: Music Store Horror Stories

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Found this posted elsewhere, it's from a few years ago, but still, thought i'd share hehe...
Sad how true this is...

If you play music in any capacity, there is no avoiding that entity known as the music store, where upon entering, one is greeted by an assortment of new and vintage guitars hanging from the walls, enhanced by a surrounding array of amps, effects and accessories. The site of all this gear tends to have an aphrodisiac-like effect upon musicians, yet all too often, it is the attitude of the music store personnel that dampens the guitar-induced arousal like a cold shower. I cannot count the number of times I’ve walked away from a music store wondering the following: shouldn’t buying a guitar or other piece of gear be a pleasant experience and why is it sometimes such an ordeal? And what the hell is wrong with the people that work in these places?
Please hear me out. I’m not describing all people who work in music stores. Many of them handle their jobs with an aura of professionalism, appreciation and genuine respect for their customers. But in twenty plus years of music related shopping, I’ve found these good-natured types to be in the minority.
A disproportionate number of music store sales clerks are bitter, sardonic creatures whose cancerous disdain for customers grows each day like a brain tumor. Some exhibit a false bubbly enthusiasm akin to politicians and used car salesmen. Others are void of expression and enthusiasm; depressing, jaded, drowning souls, trapped behind the counter for years, their lives and ambitions fading away like the decay from a Line 6 delay pedal. It is you, the customer, who becomes the scapegoat for this person’s lack of fulfillment with his job and his life. At best, these people are simply a necessary annoyance. At worst, their behavior can turn a potentially fun part of the music process into an unpleasant and morale-damaging experience.
Here then, are my top three, all time worst music store experiences in chronological order:

Leo’s Music, Oakland, CA, July 1981. I am 12 years old, buying a guitar cable, when the guy behind the counter offers to let me in on a little musician’s secret, something that only the “pros” know. He looks around to make sure no one else is listening, god forbid he should get caught revealing one of the tricks of the trade. Then he whispers to me the secret that, according to him, will make my cable last longer and improve my guitar tone: keep a small knot tied in the cable at all times. Thrilled to have gotten an “insider” tip, I take his advice at face value. (Keep in mind I was 12.)
A week or so later, I’m at a guitar lesson with one of the Bay Area’s premier hard rock guitar heroes of the early ’80s, Danny Gill. Danny is about to show me a Van Halen lick when he looks down and says, “You know there a knot in your cable?” “Yeah, it’s good for the sound and the cable!” I say this with pride, sure he’ll be impressed that I know the musicians’ secret. He starts laughing hysterically. “Where did you hear that?” “The guy at the store who sold it to me,” I reply. He laughs again. “You mean it’s not true?” “Skolnick, c’mon. The guys that work in these places are jerks. He was putting you on, probably thought it was funny. A knot in your cable? Gimme a break!”
I have just learned not to trust people who work in music stores.

Guitar Center, Concord CA, April 1996. I walk in and overhear an employee trying to make a sale over the phone. He sounds like a pretentious jackass. Fortunately, I just need a microphone, so this should be relatively painless. He hangs up, places both hands on the counter and flashes me a game show host smile. “Welcome to Guitar Center. My name’s Russell. How can I help you, today?”
I tell him I need a Shure SM57 microphone. Considered the “industry standard” by audio professionals, the “57” is one of the highest-rated and most used guitar mics of all time. This is true in 1996 and has been true since the 1960s. In 2010, as I write this, it will still be true. “Let me give you some advice, my friend,” the guy says. “The 57 is on the way out. We have much better options today and thankfully, you’ve come to the right place.”
“That’s ok, I…” Before I can respond, he reaches under the counter and pulls out a different microphone.
“Check it out. This bad boy is one of the best mics out there. It’s got all the features of the 57 but new and improved. It costs a bit more but it’s worth it. All the 57 users I know are switching to it. You’re really much better off going with this one. What d’ya say?”
“No thanks, I’ll just go with the 57.”
“Let me ask you something. What instrument is this for?”
“Guitar.”
“And you need a mic for…?”
None of his business, but I answer out of politeness, “Home recording.”
“Hang on a sec.” He reaches below and pulls out a different microphone. “Got just what ya need, right here. This mic is made specifically for hobbyists like you. It’s got a higher dynamic range for more control. And we’re running a special on these babies! If you buy now, we’ll give you a ten percent discount on …’
“Can I just buy the 57, please?” I can’t take any more. That’s when I notice several other employees huddling on the other side of the store. They’re observing us, pointing and whispering. As the overhead speakers play a Sammy Hagar song, Sammy’s voice reflects the frustration I’m feeling. “I can’t Drive…55!”
All of a sudden, the music stops and a voice comes over the intercom: “Russell to the general manager’s office…I repeat, Russell, please report to the General Management at once. ”
He beams with pride. “Hang on buddy, got important business, it’ll just take a sec. Anything else ya need?” I shake my head “You sure? Cables? Picks? Strings? I can cut you a special deal if you buy this here mic. Think about it! Be right back...” I roll my eyes, amazed at this guy’s audacity.
When he returns minutes later, he looks as if he’s been notified of a death in his family. Looking down in shame, he slowly takes his place back behind the counter, He is sober, somber, and reflective. What did they say to him in the back office? “You’re Alex Skolnick.” he mutters.
“Uh…yeah, I suppose so”
“The guitarist, right?”
I nod uncomfortably. “I play guitar, yes. I already told you that.”
“I…I…don’t know how to tell you how sorry I am, sir. I didn’t know who you were.” Awkward pause.
“I really don’t see why that matters.”
“Sir, I truly apologize.” He reaches for my hand. We shake hands and he says, “Mr. Skolnick, sir, I realize your time is valuable. And again, I’m terribly sorry. I’m ready to ring up your purchase now. Would you still like to buy a microphone?” I nod and point to a Shure SM57 under the counter. “I’m going to give you our biggest discount on the price.” He rings up the cash register in a hurry and hands me the bag. “Again, I’m truly sorry. Here’s my business card. If you ever need anything, any assistance, I am here. My name’s Russell and I apologize again. Is there anything else I can do for you sir?“
I glance around and notice that all eyes in the store are upon us. “Just one thing: you know, it really shouldn’t matter who comes in here. Maybe it’s a 12-year old kid who’s never played before. Maybe Jimi Hendrix is back from the grave and he’s decided to visit Concord, whatever… The point is, every customer in here deserves your respect, ok?” He nods. I leave.
The next day, a blinking light on my answering machine tells me I have a new message. I press Play and hear the following: “Uh…good afternoon Mr. Skolnick, my name is Russell, I helped you with your purchase yesterday. I just want to make sure you’re happy with your purchase and let you know what an honor it was to have you in our store. Please let me know if there’s ever anything I can do to assist you in the future. You have a good day, sir.” Forty-eight hours later, I receive a new message just like that one. Another one follows a few days after that. I avoid these calls and never pick up or call back. He continues to leave messages like this for about a month.

Rudy’s Music, New York, NY, 2005. The guy behind the counter looks at me as if I’m some stray animal that’s wandered in off the street. Reading the back page sports section of the New York Post, he doesn’t smile or say a word. Stocky, stubby handed and slightly heavyset, he is better suited for a pizza counter than an accessories counter. As the rumble of a hockey game quietly blares from the overhead TV, I ask him where I can find the Gibson guitars.
“You play?” He asks.
I tell him yes, I play. And I’m seriously interested in purchasing a red Gibson SG Reissue guitar. He points me to a rack of guitars in the corner and says, “Those ain’t toys, man. You sure you can play?”
“I play professionally.” No response. I walk to the rack, sift through the Les Pauls, Explorers, and SG’s until I notice a red one like the guitar played by Angus Young of AC/DC. I don’t touch it, yet.
Eager to play it, I pull up a nearby stool and begin to remove my jacket. The jacket is halfway off when, not even looking up from his paper, he calls out “Remove your jacket, please.”
“It’s halfway off, already.” I say.
“All the way off, please.” I’m getting annoyed. Still I put the jacket on the floor and pick up the red SG.
As my hand reaches for the tuning pegs he yells over “You need help tuning?”
“Excuse me?”
“You know how to tune?
“I said I play professionally”
“Everybody says that.”
“Do I look like I don’t know how to tune?“
“Just checkin’.” He goes back to the sports page. Prick. Hearing me play, he decides I’m worth talking to. He asks if I play locally. I say yes, not bothering to tell him that one of my last “local” gigs was down the street at a place called Madison Square Garden. I also don’t bother to mention that I’m featured in the guitar magazine next to him on the counter, either. Why should I have to spout my resume to shop here? Instead, I just answer his questions politely. But what I really want to do is tell him to f**k off and dump his drink on his head. I decide that no matter how much I like the red SG, it’s not worth it because thanks to this bozo, I’ll always have a negative experience attached to it. I put back the guitar, walk past him without saying a word and leave.
As I wander through the bustle of 48th St. in Manhattan, the noise of the traffic does little to drown the flood of thoughts flowing in my brain: How does one handle people like this? I suppose I could have opened up the guitar magazine and shoved my picture in his face. Then I think of Julia Roberts’ character in “Pretty Woman,” the scene where she goes shopping in Beverly Hills. I could buy the same guitar from Manny’s down the street, then come back in and say, “You work on commission right? Big mistake.” I decide that in the future, I will not be caught off guard, thrown for a loop, or lose my temper because of someone like this. What I’ll do is calmly inform him that he is not doing himself or his employers any favors with this behavior and that while I may not be one who wears his resume on his sleeve or walks around projecting an aura of superiority, I’m not a guitar player you want to be mess with, either. For the time being, I will tell everyone I know in the New York music scene (and there are many) to avoid this store and hope they hire better staff in the future.
I’ve often wondered what it is that makes people behave this way. Is it feelings of arrogance? An inferiority complex? A superiority complex? Whatever it is, there is no excuse for it. Music stores exist to serve the higher purpose of art, creativity and expression among civilized human beings. When shopping at a music store, I don’t need to be treated like a prince—but don’t treat me like a leper, either. Just treat me like a person.
If other stores can handle that, then why not music stores? Can you imagine going to a bookstore and the clerk tries to talk you out of the book you want to buy? Then he tries to get you to buy the one HE wants you to buy? Or he acts as if he’s doing you the biggest favor in the world for even allowing you in the store?
If you work in a music store, you are the gatekeeper between music makers and the equipment that makes the creative process possible. If you’re a musician yourself, working in a music store doesn’t make you less of one, or less of a person. The negativity spread by behavior such as that described here causes more damage than you can possibly imagine. If you can’t change your behavior, then please do us all a favor: seek other employment and resign immediately.
Again, these “music store horror stories” shouldn’t reflect on all music store employees. There are some very nice folks working at music stores out there, you just have to look for them. The good ones respect their patrons without prejudging them and understand that the store exists for the greater good. They know their job is to help their customers, not inflict products on them they otherwise wouldn’t buy. And they recognize something especially important: that working in a music store is something to be proud of. If more music store employees felt that way, the music world, and consequently the world, would be a better place.
 
cool read, thanks for the post, that first story was pretty alarming
 
At least you guys have some decent guitar stores. You try looking for anything that isn't a Gibson or Fender, and certainly none of that top of the line stuff, you're out of luck! The best we get is LTD or lower-end ibanez. Everything else is special order with a non-refundable deposit!
 
That is why I don't shop at the stores here in NYC. They suck balls. They really don't care who you are in most cases, and are apparently too stupid to know who you are even if you are famous. If there is any place that Alex should be known, it would be high end guitar shops in NYC. I ran into him on the streets here and new who he was immediately. He is very recognizable, even if you aren't a big fan or own any albums. If you have ever read a guitar mag from the '80s on you would recognize him in person.
 
"their lives and ambitions fading away like the decay from a Line 6 delay pedal." Priceless. :lol: :LOL:

Sadly the same can be said for the big music store in these parts, Steve's...after going there often enough, I learned the names of the guys I like and only buy stuff when they are there, or if not, I try stuff out then find it elsewhere. Some guys are great, others you just want to send back to the septic tank they crawled out of.

On a brighter note, I became good friends with a guy in town who does guitar repairs and we have a bartering system in place where I trade him beer for set up jobs :D
 
If that's the one fuckface that I'm thinking of from Rudy's that he talked about that guy is well known.........to be an asshole.


The sad part is that there are plenty of good people out there in music stores but the jerk off's get talked about more often.
 
If there is more hardware on their head than on the guitar, I look for a different salesgirl.

But seriously, the GC stores here are pretty good. They have sucky moments but not the norm. Being here for 6 years now,I have seen the posers and dipshits rotate out. There is a core of good players and knowledgeable people at each store.

The coolest thing was a 8 year oldish kid, in GC Atlanta, had a guitar taller than he was, nailing.... I mean dead on the the nuts, Killing In The Name Of, on a Mesa while pops watched and had to have been half the store staff watching by the time he finished. Kid got props and that was a cool music store moment.

Who can't recognize Skolnick? He singlehandedly brought back the front skunk streak...
 
You guys think the stores over there in the states can be bad? ...

Trust me, nothing tops the bullshit that surrounded Denmark Street in London for the last 20 years... I have been treated like absolute scum by some of the workers in those stores. Many of the guys down there acted like they were rockstars, even though the majority of them were total fucking losers. I can think of a dozen times where i had a fat wad of cash in my pocket, ready to buy something and walked into the stores to try out guitars.. only to have the store workers refuse to let me try anything and talk to me like shit.

Infact, one time i remember trying out a guitar in one of the stores. I was playing some fairly technical shred stuff in the testing booth, and i noticed that i was getting some attention from the people in the store. I happened to notice that the store manager (who was stood in the corner of the room) was glaring at me and looked pissed off.. The manager was all dressed up, trying to look like a rockstar. He looked like a twin of Chris Impellitteri haha!
Suddenly next thing i know, the store manager stormed through to the back of the store in a fit of temper, walked into the next booth, plugged in his own Ibanez RG into a cranked 5150 stack and was trying to out-shred me and drown me out with earth shattering volume. Half the people in the store walked out because of all the noise he was making... It was sickeningly loud (gig volume) and i couldn't even hear myself think at this point. Pissed me off big time, because i was actually ready to buy the guitar but the experience put me off completely. So i just put the guitar back on the shelf and walked straight outta there without even saying a word to anyone.

Because of all the shitty experiences i have had at guitar stores, i have now been buying almost everything online for the last 7 years. I would rather spend more money and buy internationally from top guys/friends of mine like Curt @ Squid Music or Ralph @ ModSquadMusic etc. I certainly won't spend a penny in a store where the workers treat people like crap.
 
I should just add that i have had great experience with Angel Music Guitars in Denmark Street over the years. That is one store where they have treated me like gold and always cut me great deals on used gear. I don't have a bad word to say about them. But that's the only place i'm interested in when it comes to Denmark Street in London.
 
danyeo":18tyxooi said:
If that's the one fuckface that I'm thinking of from Rudy's that he talked about that guy is well known.........to be an asshole.


The sad part is that there are plenty of good people out there in music stores but the jerk off's get talked about more often.

Which fuckface...there are a lot of them there now. They completely went downhill. There were only 3 people that I have ever dealt with that weren't assholes in however long i have been in the city. Rudy, Dean and I think Alex (or whoever ran the old upstairs amp room.) Rudy owns it and is pretty cool. Dean, I believe ran the shop and can be cool but depends on the day and is usually behind the counter, and is immediately who I envisioned from the story :lol: :LOL: and the amp guy was by far the coolest but is long gone and they moved that shop around the corner.
 
Guitar Center...sheesh. My house was robbed in 93. They got everything but my 68 LP Custom and a Randall RG-80 that was at my ex g/f in LA. When the settlement check finally showed up I replaced my 20th Anniversary JCM800 stack with the 30th Anniversary stack.

While I was waiting for my sales guy to ring up the paperwork to take it home, I picked up one of the 59 RI they just came out with. Someone had totally wound the strings wrong around the tuning pegs, kind of looking like spaghetti. I wanted to try the guitar, so after being unable to keep it in tune, I unwound the strings one at a time and rewound them.

I saw the manager of the vintage section in the Lawndale store giving me a dirty look. I finally got the guitar restrung correctly, tried it out, and it was ok, but not making me want to ditch my 68 Custom. Of course you have to look past the poor setup and just focus on the tone. I hung it back up on the wall, and the manager took it down and put it behind the counter on a bench.

My sales guy came back with my receipt, boxes/covers and all that stuff for the 30th Anniversary stack. He was called over by the manager for a quick discussion, then he came back to help me load up the amp.

I asked him why that guy gave me a dirty look.

"Well, it's the 59 Reissue we just got in."

"Uh, yeah, so?"

"He's pretty protective of it."

"Ok, if he's so protective of it, why are the strings wrapped on the tuners so badly?"

"He did the string wrapping. He's putting it back the way it was before you fixed it."

"WTF, you're kidding me, right?"

"Nope. He wants the guitar for himself, and if it doesn't sell he can get a huge discount on it."

"So he's purposely jacking the string wrap to keep people from playing it?"

"Yeah."

That was the last major item I bought from the Lawndale, CA Guitar Center. I'd been going there for years, driving in from Riverside County since it was the closest one without jerking around with the parking at the Hollywood store.

Now when I go in, it's strings, or some other low dollar accessory. Of course, I've had to buy some stuff for the business there such as guitar hangers, cords, a tuner for the shop, etc...and I now buy things in the business name since it's for the demo guitars, etc.

I was in there about a month ago getting something for my brother for Xmas, and the guy who rung me up noticed the Scumback Speakers & Cabs name on the receipt.

"You know these guys?"

"Yeah."

"Jeez, I can't figure out why they came up with that name."

"It bother you?"

"No, I just can't see anyone buying them with that name on the speaker."

"Well, opinions vary. Apparently there's a couple of somewhat decent players that use them."

"The owner tell you that?"

"Yeah."

"I'll bet that's a line."

"You're probably right. I need to delude myself every chance I get."

The light bulb went on.

"Wait, you're the owner?"

"Last time I checked."

Then one of my local clients showed up, asking if I'd heard back from David Grissom about
the speakers for the PRS amps yet (he'd set it up).

"Nope but I'll let you know. Thanks for the introduction."

The sales guy immediately got all flustered and apologized to me profusely. I just smiled and said "You never know
who's buying from you, or who they know. Try to realize that you can't play favorites in your line of work. A little respect goes a long way."

Seems to be a pattern at GC, I'd say.
 
fun read. My personal faviorite of my own experience is when I was trying to buy a 12ax7 at GC (needed one in a pinch) and the guy swore up and down I could use an EL84 in it's place :lol: :LOL:
 
Out of all the stores on 48th street back in the day (late 80's early 90's) Rudy's was the only one I went into once and never went back.

Years later after I was married, My wife called Rudy's to buy me a Soldano. They didnt have anything in stock and according to her they had no interest in ordering what I wanted...

My wife is in the retail end of the music biz and has been for a long time. She decided to call Soldano directly. Mike Soldano answered the phone and when asked about a local dealer and purchasing the amp there, my wife told Mike the only dealer in the area was Rudy's music in NYC and they proved to be useless. He made a comment about Rudy's and agreed to sell her the amp directly.
 
FWIW, I live in northern ocean county NJ. Musicians Workshop in manalapan, Russo's Music in Hamilton, and Guitar Center in East Brunswick all have very friendly staff willing to help...
 
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