Amp Gutshots Taboo?

[ubermetaldood]

Is there some kind of unwritten rule or protocol about posting gutshots of amps? People post gutshots on the forums all the time, but do builders frown upon it because it reveals their designs or something?

 

[lester]

Always loved this one -

H. Alexander Dumble
Musical Sound Consulting Services & Products

Los Angeles, California 90042

*** SECURITY AGREEMENT ***

I, _________ , hereby agree to use the equipment
built for me by H. Alexander Dumble for my own personal use in the
live performing and recording of my guitar. I understand that the
equipment uses circuitry and techniques unique to H. Alexander
Dumble; and I promise to never allow the equipment to be opened,
analyzed, and/or inspected by any individual, group of individuals,
and/or commercial entity other than H. Alexander Dumble. I also
agree and promise that I will always maintain the strict
supervision over the equipment; and to never leave it vulnerable
to theft and/or inspection/analization by any individual, group
of individuals, and/or commercial entity. I further agree and
promise that I will not sell the equipment built for me by
H. Alexander Dumble to any individual, group of individuals,
and/or commercial entity that will invade and/or compromise the
secrecy of H. Alexander Dumble's circuitry and techniques used
in the manufacturing of his equipment.
SIGNED: _
DATE: _
SEAL OF PUBLIC NOTARY
BY:
DATE: _ ---------------------
------------------
H. Alexander Dumble Suite Two
Musical Sound Consulting 6375 North Figueroa Street

 

[V2a]

yeah, I think lots of builders want to keep their designs under wraps because (i) they don't want others to copy them, and/or (ii) they don't want others to see who they've copied. I mean no disrespect regarding #2 - it's just that most amps have some or lots of bits of other amps in them. So if the amp/company has some mystique or mojo going and is commanding big bucks, it may kills the magic to know that the amp is similar to another amp.

 

[ubermetaldood]

Always loved this one -

H. Alexander Dumble
Musical Sound Consulting Services & Products

Los Angeles, California 90042

*** SECURITY AGREEMENT ***

I, _________ , hereby agree to use the equipment
built for me by H. Alexander Dumble for my own personal use in the
live performing and recording of my guitar. I understand that the
equipment uses circuitry and techniques unique to H. Alexander
Dumble; and I promise to never allow the equipment to be opened,
analyzed, and/or inspected by any individual, group of individuals,
and/or commercial entity other than H. Alexander Dumble. I also
agree and promise that I will always maintain the strict
supervision over the equipment; and to never leave it vulnerable
to theft and/or inspection/analization by any individual, group
of individuals, and/or commercial entity. I further agree and
promise that I will not sell the equipment built for me by
H. Alexander Dumble to any individual, group of individuals,
and/or commercial entity that will invade and/or compromise the
secrecy of H. Alexander Dumble's circuitry and techniques used
in the manufacturing of his equipment.
SIGNED: _
DATE: _
SEAL OF PUBLIC NOTARY
BY:
DATE: _ ---------------------
------------------
H. Alexander Dumble Suite Two
Musical Sound Consulting 6375 North Figueroa Street

No way! That can't be real. If it is then it has to be a rental/lease agreement. Isn't he an American? Does he not understand property rights? That's funny.

 

[Metlupass2]

That is friggin hilarious!

 

[charveldan]

I know Dave Friedman doesn't appreciate people posting gut shots of his amps. So I won't be posting gut shots of my JJ when I get it. It's pretty much a unwritten respect thing.

Dave asked me not too as well.

Its been 3 yrs and i told him i wouldn't.

Its the least i can do for giving me the killer Marshall ive always wanted.

And he didn't goop or blackout components.

Its a gentleman's agreement.

 

[bubbastain]

To me it kind of depends. I don't see any problem posting gut shots of a stock amp. Some really are a work of art. I personally would not post gut shots of a modded amp from a modder I respect unless they were totally 100% cool with it.

 

[ubermetaldood]

I can understand that and respect it to a certain degree as original design is concerned. However, the way a certain builder approached me about it kind of pissed me off. Rather than asking me to keep it private or kindly remove it from my listing, I get an email saying "Hey... I don't really appreciate the zoom in pic of the insides of my circuit." The way I see it, it's like open-source code. You shouldn't expect such exclusivity when you are basically just modifying already established designs. If it's Marshall or Fender under the hood then it's basically open-source unless you give due credit to the original design.

I'm not a socialist either. I'm a damned conservative, free-market, Constitutionalist. As a software developer, however, I have learned a thing or two about the difference between original source-code and modifying source-code. I've had to pay royalties for using third-party source components, and I would expect anyone else using my components to pay whatever royalties I establish.

Nevertheless, like I said, I will respect it. I just take issue with people who don't seem to understand the concept of property rights or people who expect exclusivity without giving due where it belongs. I'm sure most of us have come across the Jose Arredondo argument.

 

[ubermetaldood]

At least you got a message instead of being put on blast in front of the whole forum... (If it was a PM)... That's about as discreet as one can be...

Discreet is one thing and respectful is another. If someone confronted me in front of others, it certainly wouldn't get me to acquiesce. That's a pretty shitty thing to do, and dumb too if you plan on having any customers in the future.

 

[charveldan]

When i grew up in the 60's & 70's your word was your bond.

My parents and theirs before them from WW II & the great depression if you didnt keep your word you were fucked beyond all recourse.

Kids born after mid to late 80's til now mostly have no concept of what that means.

 

[ubermetaldood]

When i grew up in the 60's & 70's your word was your bond.

My parents and theirs before them from WW II & the great depression if you didnt keep your word you were fucked beyond all recourse.

Kids born after mid to late 80's til now mostly have no concept of what that means.

I agree but what's the point?

 

[glip22]

Bottom line is if you paid for it you own it. You can post whatever you damn well please. With that said there are some builders I would not out of respect, but if I wished to, and I paid for it, it's my choice. If you don't want it posted, don't profit from it. Do it as a hobby for yourself.

 

[ubermetaldood]

Bottom line is if you paid for it you own it. You can post whatever you damn well please. With that said there are some builders I would not out of respect, but if I wished to, and I paid for it, it's my choice. If you don't want it posted, don't profit from it. Do it as a hobby for yourself.

Exactly. I think BMW makes the best-of-the-best cars. I have a 4-cyllinder BMW that has the performance of a higher powered sports car. It's fuel-efficient and dependable. Most car manufacturers aren't on their level. However, you don't see them telling people to keep their engines secret. Hey, the black goop never stopped a hundred people from cloning Klon Centaurs. Furthermore, if someone wanted to figure out the recipe to Grandma's brand of chocolate chip cookie, it wouldn't be that hard. The fact is though that people will always keep buying them because they are conveniently prepared and relatively delicious.

You make a good point and that's pretty much what I've been saying. In fact, it would be ironic for a clone builder to request such a thing don't you think? There are some builders though who outright mention Marshall in their designs and that's totally respectable in my opinion.

 

[lester]

Always loved this one -

H. Alexander Dumble
Musical Sound Consulting Services & Products

Los Angeles, California 90042

*** SECURITY AGREEMENT ***

I, _________ , hereby agree to use the equipment
built for me by H. Alexander Dumble for my own personal use in the
live performing and recording of my guitar. I understand that the
equipment uses circuitry and techniques unique to H. Alexander
Dumble; and I promise to never allow the equipment to be opened,
analyzed, and/or inspected by any individual, group of individuals,
and/or commercial entity other than H. Alexander Dumble. I also
agree and promise that I will always maintain the strict
supervision over the equipment; and to never leave it vulnerable
to theft and/or inspection/analization by any individual, group
of individuals, and/or commercial entity. I further agree and
promise that I will not sell the equipment built for me by
H. Alexander Dumble to any individual, group of individuals,
and/or commercial entity that will invade and/or compromise the
secrecy of H. Alexander Dumble's circuitry and techniques used
in the manufacturing of his equipment.
SIGNED: _
DATE: _
SEAL OF PUBLIC NOTARY
BY:
DATE: _ ---------------------
------------------
H. Alexander Dumble Suite Two
Musical Sound Consulting 6375 North Figueroa Street

No way! That can't be real. If it is then it has to be a rental/lease agreement. Isn't he an American? Does he not understand property rights? That's funny.

Yeah, check it. It has some other funny shit in there as well. - http://marvelamps.com/misc/dumble.pdf

 

[ubermetaldood]

Always loved this one -

H. Alexander Dumble
Musical Sound Consulting Services & Products

Los Angeles, California 90042

*** SECURITY AGREEMENT ***

I, _________ , hereby agree to use the equipment
built for me by H. Alexander Dumble for my own personal use in the
live performing and recording of my guitar. I understand that the
equipment uses circuitry and techniques unique to H. Alexander
Dumble; and I promise to never allow the equipment to be opened,
analyzed, and/or inspected by any individual, group of individuals,
and/or commercial entity other than H. Alexander Dumble. I also
agree and promise that I will always maintain the strict
supervision over the equipment; and to never leave it vulnerable
to theft and/or inspection/analization by any individual, group
of individuals, and/or commercial entity. I further agree and
promise that I will not sell the equipment built for me by
H. Alexander Dumble to any individual, group of individuals,
and/or commercial entity that will invade and/or compromise the
secrecy of H. Alexander Dumble's circuitry and techniques used
in the manufacturing of his equipment.
SIGNED: _
DATE: _
SEAL OF PUBLIC NOTARY
BY:
DATE: _ ---------------------
------------------
H. Alexander Dumble Suite Two
Musical Sound Consulting 6375 North Figueroa Street

No way! That can't be real. If it is then it has to be a rental/lease agreement. Isn't he an American? Does he not understand property rights? That's funny.

Yeah, check it. It has some other funny shit in there as well. - http://marvelamps.com/misc/dumble.pdf

LOL. His amps are expensive, but his policies are priceless.

 

[charveldan]

When i grew up in the 60's & 70's your word was your bond.

My parents and theirs before them from WW II & the great depression if you didnt keep your word you were fucked beyond all recourse.

Kids born after mid to late 80's til now mostly have no concept of what that means.

I agree but what's the point?

The point is i gave Friedman my word i wouldn't post gutshots on the net and ive kept my word.

That is the point.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Always surprised that more gutshots aren't posted of Friedman's stuff to be honest.. I guess that is the other side of the game, how many people respect you enough to not post your circuit. (except bad ass billy blades that is! yeee haw, got yer amp all done up right here!)

 

[FourT6and2]

It'd be funny if Toyota or BMW or Chevy told people to never open their hoods. Or post photos of their engines on the internet. Does GE go around yelling at people for posting photos of the inside of a washing machine? No. If it's a consumer product, and you bought it, you can do whatever the hell you want with it.

 

[311boogieman]

Scott Splawn asks we respect his work and not post pics. Believe me, it is hard to do as it is good looking stuff. I've respected that so far but I know others that have not.

Posting guts of the major retail amps is not a big deal IMO.

 

[ed_Sped2]

So let's say someone posted gut shots of a Dumble. Had he ever actually sued someone over this? If not, then why do these builders even bother telling their clients not to post the guts?