Any legit experience with the bogner ubershall n diezel vh4

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Thinking about picking one of these but can't get any legit experiences. Any suggestions?
 
I had an Ubershall. Could not get rid of it quick enough. The channels are not balanced very well and the bottom end was way to flubby.
 
search around, there's a shit ton of threads on both of these amps, some very in depth.
 
heres my best way of putting it. The uberschall is a very unique voicing, so unique that i find it lacking the classic marshall vibe and Mids that I love. Combined with something else it is insane, like a high gain jose or ccv or jcm 800 tone , but by itself its unique and dark and not quite as versatile as a VH4. ALTHOUGH i have to give it to channel 1 on the uber because it really does take pedals killer.

The VH4 is more marshally but has its own unique and refined thing going on, personally I dont really like the VH4 at all, i think it has much to chewy and sloppy of a feel to me, where as the uber can get fairly tight if you back the gain down.

It's really funny because i always hear people say that channel 3 on the VH4 is where it's at for tight metal , but to me its to loose and sloppy in the feel department to do any cool single note down picked lines.

Both are great, but If i had to pick id go uber personally for the feel, but remember it is a unique voicing and def not for everyone. If you mix the uber with a marshally tone ALA Cantrell you'll get some killer results.

If you can find one of the cameron aldrich mods from the mid 2000's he did very few with a certain rotary switch in the back that changes the power amp voicing to be just like an uberschall, find one of those and you'll be in heaven, it's like the massive body and thicknesss of an uber and the most snarly pissed yet tight and articulate marshall you ever heard had a kid. I have one and it has that one setting which just destroys everything else ive ever heard =) :D
 
Splawnman90":1d2rf261 said:
Thinking about picking one of these but can't get any legit experiences. Any suggestions?
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Serious? Rig Talk is loaded with them.

"Search"......use it.
 
I had both. Owned vh4 n borrowed the uber. The uber is cool until you plug in the Diezel right next to it. Then you see night n day. Diezel is clearer. Tighter. Louder. Better gain. Total control of low end in diezel. Just all around more pleasant to the ear.
 
Pros & cons of course and depends what sound your chasing.
VH4 will give you 2 more channels and different modes,but there's
One thing that makes me crazy and that's the compression, to
Me its a burden, it sounds like there's a compressor stomp box in
The front of the amp.
I like the Uberschall because I play metal, it's a loose amp but I can
Dial in a good tone,the clean channel drops off but I don't care
Because I don't use it.
And of course there's a big price difference but more bells etc
Command more money.
If you want more in depth pm me.
 
Ive never played a VH4, but I have played a few Bogners and despite what was stated above I think the Bogner Twin Jet and Rev 2 are both amazing and crushing amps. Yes you might need to learn how to dial it in because it is tricky. But with the right tubes and settings they are hard to beat for a metal amp.

I play high gain metal and these amps are beastly.

I have played a Herbert and it was very nice. The mid controls are great and was probably the best compressed mid scooped tone Ive ever heard, however that's not I want from an amp.

Again, never played a VH4 I read much more versitile. I personally havent found any clips I liked at all and I do go for the high gain metal tone so I guess it depends on what your looking for in an amp.
 
I have seen numerous pictures of boh amps and they look supercool.
 
Splawnman90":1zpl5psp said:
Thinking about picking one of these but can't get any legit experiences. Any suggestions?
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"legit experiences" :student:



Sorry, had to.

Alright - I've owned both and will more than likely own both again.

As for having to pick ONE over the other? Depends what you want the amp to do, but either will get you LOTS of tonal coverage. I mean, they're both awesome amps. In the "King" of amps department, VH4 hands down. It's just a better amp. Sorry Reinhold - nothing personal - as you know I love the XTC, the Shiva and the TJ.

So, to the OP - the TJ was my preference out of the Uberschalls. It ripped man, and seriously went nuclear once the volume started to move. I had it mated with an UberKab 4x12 and the combination was sick. I think I read a bit about flubby bass and the like up above, no chance man, this rig slayed. So, it does mega thick gain, mega big bass, extreme metal tones without a problem. BUT!! Let's not forget the first burner of this jet actually has some awesome tones too - everything from that ol' ACDC crunch to some 80s metal'esque kerrang. I also liked it for the breakup bluesy stuff. It's a VERY versatile amp for having only 2 channels, and its EQing is a bit weird in that you really can't trust the dials, you have to go by ear (what I mean by this is it's very counter-intuitive, and detractive at times - if you need "more" of something, often you have to EQ less of something else, and vice versa, and, well, let's just say don't let your friends drive this thing drunk!). It's a great amp, and I'm sure I'll be owning another one again. I've moved a lot of amps - this is the only one to this day I'm pissed that I parted with.

VH4. Dude, I'm a fanboi all the way. What's not to love? The EQ is intuitive, it's got a 3D "bounce" to it that I've never heard any other amp have in a room/jam/gig. It's beautifully engineered, and it sound unlike any other amp in the world - there I said it. It's the signature Diezel tone. It's also one of the most common amps found in studios across the globe - and this is due to its versatility and ability to take stomps like a champ. Best loops in the industry IMHO, YMMV. Thing sounds great with 6550s in it, EL34s, 6L6s, and KT77s. What's not to love? It's the one and only "V". And if I may, if you DO plan on getting one, don't shortchange yourself - you have to get a Diezel cab to go with it. Like hand in glove - you have to.

Both amps will slay. Both amps are loud (I'll go out on a limb here and say the TwinJet was a bit louder at max volume, but seriously NO one is going to play it at this level.....ever. Either amp for that matter) and the VH4 comes to live at noon on the MV and gets a wee bit more open as opposed to louder after that. The TJ just goes nuclear after noon - seriously - it'll make you dribble a bit of pee if you're not expecting it.

So that's that. In a pinch? VH4 hands down. But that's me. Given either as a gift and stuck on an island or a jail cell, I'd be happy no matter what.

I played a lot of AIC, Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, Tool, White/RobZombie on both amps and actually used BOTH amps simultaneously for a while there. It was weird though due to both having a voice that the other didn't get with - they didn't pair up that well. Maybe it was driver error - maybe they're just too unique - or - too similar.

Hope this helps.
Mo
 
Here's a clip of some heavy stuff I posted in another thread. Bogner Uberschall #60 on the left, a 2007 Diezel VH4 on the right. Both run through a Rivera K412 with v30's and t75's in an x-pattern. SM57, 421 and 414 blended at the console.

I've found the opposite of Ventura's thoughts. In my experience, the VH4 and Uberschall blend quite nicely live, but the VH4 is very "3D" if you will. It fills a room in a way that's hard to explain unless you experience it first-hand.

Ch3 is where it's at for rhythms, and I dig Ch4 for leads once in a while, but I do most of my lead work on Ch2 with a boost. It's got the nice old-school Marshall thing going on. Ch2 reminds me of the times I've had the pleasure of cranking an old Plexi all the way to fuck.
 
SomeGuyChi":uoau0346 said:
Here's a clip of some heavy stuff I posted in another thread. Bogner Uberschall #60 on the left, a 2007 Diezel VH4 on the right. Both run through a Rivera K412 with v30's and t75's in an x-pattern. SM57, 421 and 414 blended at the console.

I've found the opposite of Ventura's thoughts. In my experience, the VH4 and Uberschall blend quite nicely live, but the VH4 is very "3D" if you will. It fills a room in a way that's hard to explain unless you experience it first-hand.

Ch3 is where it's at for rhythms, and I dig Ch4 for leads once in a while, but I do most of my lead work on Ch2 with a boost. It's got the nice old-school Marshall thing going on. Ch2 reminds me of the times I've had the pleasure of cranking an old Plexi all the way to fuck.
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Yes, but would you call this a legit experience? ;) Nice clip!
 
glassjaw7":23lx4w5j said:
SomeGuyChi":23lx4w5j said:
Here's a clip of some heavy stuff I posted in another thread. Bogner Uberschall #60 on the left, a 2007 Diezel VH4 on the right. Both run through a Rivera K412 with v30's and t75's in an x-pattern. SM57, 421 and 414 blended at the console.

I've found the opposite of Ventura's thoughts. In my experience, the VH4 and Uberschall blend quite nicely live, but the VH4 is very "3D" if you will. It fills a room in a way that's hard to explain unless you experience it first-hand.

Ch3 is where it's at for rhythms, and I dig Ch4 for leads once in a while, but I do most of my lead work on Ch2 with a boost. It's got the nice old-school Marshall thing going on. Ch2 reminds me of the times I've had the pleasure of cranking an old Plexi all the way to fuck.
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Yes, but would you call this a legit experience? ;) Nice clip!
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:thumbsup:
 
I own a Twin Jet and it is anything but flubby like some the older ones were, plus Channel 1 gets some cool plexish to 800 tones. It is more open and honest which will reveal more mistakes...Reinhold made the Uberschall more of a player's amp for sure...Of course there will always be those that say they like some other revision more, had them side by side, etc. but the TJ sounds bigger and yet has more clarity.
 
Here's my Rev2 Über in action, intro and all parts are Uber pre and power amp, solo is boosted with a Timmy set to clean.

 
Ever consider a Fryette Pittbull UL or Sig:X? Both will do what you want--loose and fat, to frogs' ass water-tight.
 
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