Any midi users here?

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I have an Atla on order and also I have the KSR EX5(still unopened) and a KSR Orion on order so I want to start using midi. Any of you guys use midi? I really want to simplify my channel/effects switching but I have no idea how to approach this or how to use it.

Can any of you guys recommend some vids or documents on midi setups or let me know how you set your rigs up?
 
Can any of you guys recommend some vids or documents on midi setups or let me know how you set your rigs up?

Thing is, the actual steps involved in configuring a midi controller will be somewhat unique to the unit.
Most come with a nice tailor made utility program that'll make it really easy.
Read the unit's quick start and I bet it'll be much simpler than you may be imagining right now.
 
Thing is, the actual steps involved in configuring a midi controller will be somewhat unique to the unit.
Most come with a nice tailor made utility program that'll make it really easy.
Read the unit's quick start and I bet it'll be much simpler than you may be imagining right now.
So my next question would be should I grab something like a line 6 or fractal etc to use as a midi controller or get something like a boss ES-5? Currently I only have a carbon copy and a Maxon 808 on my board. I have a duality DX with midi coming. Oh and I have a wah so my thoughts are get a multi effects type processor or just grab a couple more single effect stomps and a midi controller.
 
So my next question would be should I grab something like a line 6 or fractal etc to use as a midi controller or get something like a boss ES-5? Currently I only have a carbon copy and a Maxon 808 on my board. I have a duality DX with midi coming. Oh and I have a wah so my thoughts are get a multi effects type processor or just grab a couple more single effect stomps and a midi controller.

Multi-FX units? ? Jack of all trades master of none.

Check these guys out. Good price, built like a tank, and couldn't be easier.

https://www.morningstar.io/mc3
https://www.morningstar.io/mc6-mkii
 
MIDI is fairly straightforward to understand conceptually but it's often explained in a needlessly complex way. In a nutshell, there are only a few things to know. For guitar players, MIDI switching consists of three main components.

1. Channel - MIDI has 16 channels available. Generally, each device in your rig can be assigned one of 16 "MIDI channels" and it will only obey commands sent on that channel.
2. Program Change command (PC) - this is what you'll mostly use to change patches or amp channels on individual pieces of gear.
3. Continuous Control command (CC) - this is what you'll mostly use to continuously control things like expression pedals over midi. This is also used to control individual parameters of a patch while staying on that patch. For example in most loop switchers, PC commands change patches, while CC commands turn on or off individual loops within a patch, without changing patches. The number of CC command changes available is 0-127 and within each of those command numbers, there is an expression range of 0-127. Another example: you have a multi-effects unit where its delay function is programmed to CC #5, and from there, "CC #5, value 0" turns off the delay, while "CC #5, value 127" turns the delay on.

Example MIDI message when you press a button on your MIDI controller:

Let's say you have a MIDI compatible amp like a Mesa Mark VII (set to listen on MIDI channel 1), and a multi-effects unit (set to listen on MIDI chanel 2) in the amp's loop. You could setup MIDI switching to send a command to one or both devices at the same time.

MIDI Footswitch 1:
-MIDI message: Channel 1, PC 3 (This will change the device listening on Channel 1, the Mark VII, to patch 3)
-MIDI message: Channel 2, PC 4 (This will change the device listening on Channel 2, the multi-effects unit, to patch 4)

With Footswitch 1 set to issue those two different MIDI commands (many MIDI pedals can be programmed to send multiple MIDI commands at a single press of a footswitch), pressing Footswitch button 1 will change the Mark VII to its internal "patch 3" and the multi-effects unit to its internal "patch 4" at the same time.


MIDI Footswitch 2:
-MIDI message: Channel 2, CC #7, value 64 (The multi-effects unit from above is still listening on MIDI Channel 2, and let's say this unit is programmed so CC #7 is attached to Output Volume. Remember the range is 0-127)

*This will change the output volume of the multi-effects unit to 50% (because 64 is the half way value between 0-127)
 
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MIDI always had me mystified until I took the plug and bought a RJM PBC6X to switch pedals (and keep them out of the signal path when not used) and control the amp channel changes. The software that you can down load makes programming it pretty easy and the RJM support is outstanding. I’m the MIDI functions to control my BE100 and Mark IV along with Strymon Timeline, Mobius and Blue Sky. I don’t think I can go back to a regular pedalboard now lol
 
MIDI always had me mystified until I took the plug and bought a RJM PBC6X to switch pedals (and keep them out of the signal path when not used) and control the amp channel changes. The software that you can down load makes programming it pretty easy and the RJM support is outstanding. I’m the MIDI functions to control my BE100 and Mark IV along with Strymon Timeline, Mobius and Blue Sky. I don’t think I can go back to a regular pedalboard now lol

I was the same way. I didn’t fully get MIDI until I bought an RJM MIDI switcher. The software editor helped put everything into context and after messing with it for a little while it just started to click.
 
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I know nothing about it. I have an art bigfoot controller I would love to use though.
 
MIDI is fairly straightforward to understand conceptually but it's often explained in a needlessly complex way. In a nutshell, there are only a few things to know. For guitar players, MIDI switching consists of three main components.

1. Channel - MIDI has 16 channels available. Generally, each device in your rig can be assigned one of 16 "MIDI channels" and it will only obey commands sent on that channel.
2. Program Change command (PC) - this is what you'll mostly use to change patches or amp channels on individual pieces of gear.
3. Continuous Control command (CC) - this is what you'll mostly use to continuously control things like expression pedals over midi. This is also used to control individual parameters of a patch while staying on that patch. For example in most loop switchers, PC commands change patches, while CC commands turn on or off individual loops within a patch, without changing patches. The CC command change is 0-127 and within each of those command numbers, there is an expression range of 0-127.

Example MIDI message when you press a button on your MIDI controller:

Let's say you have a MIDI compatible amp like a Mesa Mark VII (set to listen on MIDI channel 1), and a multi-effects unit (set to listen on MIDI chanel 2) in the amp's loop. You could setup MIDI switching to send a command to one or both devices at the same time.


MIDI Footswitch 1:
-MIDI message: Channel 1, PC 3
-MIDI message: Channel 2, PC 4
*This will change your Mark VII to its Patch 3 and the multi-effects unit to its Patch 4

MIDI Footswitch 2:
-MIDI channel 2, CC #7 (usually assigned to Output Volume) value 64 (remember the range is 0-127)
*This will change the output volume of the multi-effects unit to 50% (64 is the half way value between 0-127)
This was hugely helpful. I think I'm going to go with getting a controller/switcher. I need to add a reverb pedal but I think I'm good to go for the most part.
 
This was hugely helpful. I think I'm going to go with getting a controller/switcher. I need to add a reverb pedal but I think I'm good to go for the most part.

Cool man. I find MIDI to be effectively infinitely flexible, and currently it sits pretty much head and shoulders above any other switching protocol for guitar as it provides the best balance between simplicity and capability, not to mention it's easily the most universally supported way to control your stuff.
 
I've had the KSR EX5 since it first came out and it's been on my to do list to use it. I didn't order a footswitch with the Orion so that it would motivate me a bit more to quit dicking around and learn how to use it.
 
If you’re wanting to maintain pedals then the Boss EX5/8 would be the way to go. You can bring any pedal you have connected, into the signal and change your amps channels at the press of a button via PC. It will also allow for changing any midi capable pedals perimeters as well.


Or if you’re not stuck on using pedals a multi effects unit is much cleaner. I use a FX8. Same concept as above just much less cables and power supplies etc. I think the effects are pretty damn good, at least for my needs.
 
I grabbed a HX Stomp XL a month or two ago. I use it with my VH4 to change channels via midi and also have it in the FX loop so I can get chorus, delay, reverb, etc if the song calls for it.
 
Huge fan since the early 90's..
All modern amps should have MIDI switching..
Set and change effects and presets with 1 button is mint..
 
Before you buy a controller you need to ask yourself exactly what you want to do with it? Turn pedals on and off? Switch presets? Combo of both? Most pedals today will let you assign a bank of foot switches to turn pedals on and off via CC messaging. Just make sure your foot controller can do everything you want it to do for now and the future. Once you start really getting into it a lot of guys outgrow their controller pretty quickly.
 
Which unit, depends on your setup.

I get by just fine with an ES-5, but your mileage may vary. I generally use a handful of pedals with a rack wet dry setup.
 
If you’re wanting to maintain pedals then the Boss EX5/8 would be the way to go. You can bring any pedal you have connected, into the signal and change your amps channels at the press of a button via PC. It will also allow for changing any midi capable pedals perimeters as well.


Or if you’re not stuck on using pedals a multi effects unit is much cleaner. I use a FX8. Same concept as above just much less cables and power supplies etc. I think the effects are pretty damn good, at least for my needs.
ES 5 or 8, slight correction

I have an ES-8 and it's head and shoulders above the rest of the herd out there for functionality and price. Amazingly slick - customizable - buffer on/off - loop placement - amp control - it's awesome

And this coming from a guy who shied away from "all things midi" for many years because of the incessant unnecessary "making it more complicated than it needed to be" assumed learning curve
 
ES 5 or 8, slight correction

I have an ES-8 and it's head and shoulders above the rest of the herd out there for functionality and price. Amazingly slick - customizable - buffer on/off - loop placement - amp control - it's awesome

And this coming from a guy who shied away from "all things midi" for many years because of the incessant unnecessary "making it more complicated than it needed to be" assumed learning curve
So what is the difference between ES-5 and the ES-8
 
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