Anyone compared the Bogner Red vs Friedman BE-OD Deluxe pedals?

[Speeddemon]

After finding out recently about the Friedman BE-OD Deluxe, the sound in some of the review vids had me intrigued.

I've owned the Bogner Ecstasy Blue and Red pedals myself, as well as a Blackstar HT-Dual, AMT SS-30.
They all had their pros and cons.
The Blackstar sounded probably the best (tube and all), but it was big, bulky and needed a special power supply.
I couldn't get the AMT to sound as tight as I wanted... Like this tone on some Youtube vid...I think it's too muddy.

With the Bogner Red, as awesome as it did sound, I could still tell it was a pedal (duh) instead of a more realistic simulation of actual amp distortion.
I wonder if the Friedman BE-OD Deluxe improved on that?

 

[CarlF]

I had the big Bogner Blue and Red pedals 2X. I had the Friedman BE OD and BE OD Deluxe 2X.

I would love to have BOTH Bogner pedals again.
Between to Friedman pedals, I preferred the BE OD. The Mids on the Deluxe did nothing for me and the Tight control was a 3-position switch. The BE OD's Tight control was a variable knob.

The only time I recorded the Bogner Red was w/ a Strat, thru a Vibe and into some Marshall (maybe my 50 watt Ceriatone) set clean.

 

[Speeddemon]

I had the big Bogner Blue and Red pedals 2X

Yeah, to clarify, I had the big Red and Blue too.

The Blue was awesome for that AC/DC-ish crunch, quite realistic, but as expected, lacking for higher gain stuff.

 

[Speeddemon]

Anyone else?

 

[JulesDB]

I had the Bogner blue and have the red one.

Of the two I sold the blue because the red one in the clean channel of the Soldano sounds practically identical to the distorted channel. I bought the BE OD on a G.A.S. attack, I must say that it is a very nice pedal, especially in solos, as the gobs of gain maker things smooth, even if a little too extreme for me, I think I won't sell it.

 

[Speeddemon]

So I found a used BE-OD Deluxe locally now; man, that thing is good!

I've played around with the internal trim-pots a lot to find settings that work for me; strangely enough it seems that it could potentially use even more gain, but there's plenty of compression and saturation going on, which makes the thing a blast to play.
So far, I've settled on 2 settings (blue channel medium/high gain rhythm, green channel = high gain leads) that work well into the 'clean' channels of both my Engl Savage 60 and EVH 5150III 50W 6L6.

 

[PDC]

I had the big Bogner Blue and Red pedals 2X. I had the Friedman BE OD and BE OD Deluxe 2X.

I would love to have BOTH Bogner pedals again.
Between to Friedman pedals, I preferred the BE OD. The Mids on the Deluxe did nothing for me and the Tight control was a 3-position switch. The BE OD's Tight control was a variable knob.

The only time I recorded the Bogner Red was w/ a Strat, thru a Vibe and into some Marshall (maybe my 50 watt Ceriatone) set clean.

WOW! Incredible!

 

[Little B]

I've owned all 4 of those pedals at the same time,plus a real BE 100 deluxe head and 20th ann.xtc head.
BE pedals are very nice no doubt about it.especially if you've never played the amp head.But running into a clean platform like a fender Princeton or bandmaster,the bogner pedals felt more like the playing thru the real amps to me.Especially the blue.

 

[Speeddemon]

the bogner pedals felt more like the playing thru the real amps to me.Especially the blue.

Agreed, the Bogner Blue was very amp-like. The only reason I sold it, was it had too little gain for the stuff I was planning to use it for; as a back-up solution when there's a backline (in a rehearsal space or something) that has so-so amps and where it's better to use the amps clean.

 

[Little B]

Agreed, the Bogner Blue was very amp-like. The only reason I sold it, was it had too little gain for the stuff I was planning to use it for; as a back-up solution when there's a backline (in a rehearsal space or something) that has so-so amps and where it's better to use the amps clean.

Agreed.
I set the blue up for edge of breakup stuff.Its got great touch sensitivity at those levels.I never go heavy with it.
Then I use the red or others to go heavier with.

 

[Speeddemon]

In this video, at 17min51sec. the guy compares the Bogner Red to the regular (non-Deluxe) BE-OD with a shred-style riff.
This is a good example why I prefer the BE-OD; it's less 'gurgly', a bit more modern, while still in the Marshall-y vein.


But in this video, in the first half, the Bogner Red indeed sounds more amp-like and the BE-OD is too scooped. (Luckily the Deluxe adds the mid-knob). But with the dropped-tune riff in the 2nd half, the Red shows this 'gurgly' quality again.