Anyone have good suggestion for 4x12 speakers?

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I've been using a marshall mg412a for a few years now. It's smaller than the average marshall cab (which i like) but I'm curious if this changes the sound significantly and I'm curious if anyone would have suggestions. I want to try Vintage 30s and I'm wondering if it would sound good in my speaker cab or on a larger one like a Vintage 1960a Marshall 4x12. Anyone have good suggestions for cabs/speakers? I'm running my guitar into an alesis 3630 compressor then into a jmp-1 into my 50w Marshall head. Any suggestions?
 
I am sure the smaller cab will sound different but how I wouldn't know.

You would have to listen to both and hear what the difference is and whether you like one or the other better.
 
The 1960's cabs are usually pretty easy to find at cheap prices locally. Depending on where you live I guess, and they are also the industry standard for a reason. Swapping V30's into your cab will definitely change the tone quite a bit. Whether it works for you or not is something that you would need to test out. If you can find the right deal, might be cheaper to buy a 1960 with V30's already in it than buying V30's straight up and swapping.
 
V30s and Marshalls for me are too many mids on mids…which is why T75s are the speaker of choice in most 1960 cabs. 75s are mid scooped for that reason.
Those smaller cabs sound good at low volumes but when loud they can fart out vs a 1960 cab.
If I were you, find a 1960 cab locally and try it out with your rig.
 
Geo said:
I am sure the smaller cab will sound different but how I wouldn't know.

You would have to listen to both and hear what the difference is and whether you like one or the other better.
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Yeah I think you're right. I'll have to listen to it in person
 
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fek said:
The 1960's cabs are usually pretty easy to find at cheap prices locally. Depending on where you live I guess, and they are also the industry standard for a reason. Swapping V30's into your cab will definitely change the tone quite a bit. Whether it works for you or not is something that you would need to test out. If you can find the right deal, might be cheaper to buy a 1960 with V30's already in it than buying V30's straight up and swapping.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'm definitely thinking about just getting a 1960 cab pre loaded how I want it
 
Racerxrated said:
V30s and Marshalls for me are too many mids on mids…which is why T75s are the speaker of choice in most 1960 cabs. 75s are mid scooped for that reason.
Those smaller cabs sound good at low volumes but when loud they can fart out vs a 1960 cab.
If I were you, find a 1960 cab locally and try it out with your rig.
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Good point. I heared T75s are good too. Definitely might try to test out a 1960 cab with those in it with my rig if I can. Also my smaller mg speaker is probably more directional with the sound? I'd imagine the larger 1960 cabs would push the sound more evenly. Thanks for the suggestion ?
 
I have a friend who did exactly that - swapped v30s into an MG cab.

He eventually broke down and snagged a 1960 with 75s.

He apparently didn't think the speaker swap was worth it.

YMMV
 
I always played either Sheffield loaded Peavey cabs (which suck), or 75 watt Celestions in Marshalls. Then I tried an amp with Vintage 30s, didn't care for it at all. All I've heard for years is THE speaker is a Vintage 30 for rock/metal. I didn't care for it at all. I went back to 75 watters. Then, I got a 1960TV cab, the one with Greenbacks. Now, I'm a Greenback man. But seriously, graduate from the MG cabs into a 1960A or B, even if it's beat to hell. Just get the 75 watters and give it a whirl.
 
I have always preferred the tone and projection of a straight front over an angle front cab. I get more low end and punch off of a straight front. No way to go wrong with either the UK made 20 watt greenbacks (G12EVH) or even the 25 watt Chinese greenbacks. If you want a higher wattage load, I am absolutely sold on the 65 watt creamback / vintage 30 pairing in an X pattern.
 
DanTravis62 said:
I have a friend who did exactly that - swapped v30s into an MG cab.

He eventually broke down and snagged a 1960 with 75s.

He apparently didn't think the speaker swap was worth it.

YMMV
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Lmao. I think the 1960 with 75s sounds like the winner here
 
Matt300ZXT said:
I always played either Sheffield loaded Peavey cabs (which suck), or 75 watt Celestions in Marshalls. Then I tried an amp with Vintage 30s, didn't care for it at all. All I've heard for years is THE speaker is a Vintage 30 for rock/metal. I didn't care for it at all. I went back to 75 watters. Then, I got a 1960TV cab, the one with Greenbacks. Now, I'm a Greenback man. But seriously, graduate from the MG cabs into a 1960A or B, even if it's beat to hell. Just get the 75 watters and give it a whirl.
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Yeah green backs are one of the speakers i hear about along with the 75 watt ones. I think I'm being swayed for the 75 watt speakers now
 
PDC said:
I have always preferred the tone and projection of a straight front over an angle front cab. I get more low end and punch off of a straight front. No way to go wrong with either the UK made 20 watt greenbacks (G12EVH) or even the 25 watt Chinese greenbacks. If you want a higher wattage load, I am absolutely sold on the 65 watt creamback / vintage 30 pairing in an X pattern.
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That's interesting. What kind of characteristics does that have with the x pattern? That sounds interesting and I didn't even think about the cab shape altering sound too much (angled vs straight)
 
I agree with everyone to ditch the MG cab. 1960a/b or similar dimension cab will be a good way to go.

I'm not a fan of the T75's. They're too mid scooped for me, but if that's what you're going for then it's a good speaker.

Another good one to check out would be the CL80. It has prominent mids but not in the same ear fatiguing way as V30s.

Personally I've been liking my Weber Grey Wolfs. It's sort of a blend between a V30 and CL80 with a bit of Voxy chime. It sounds great with my Marshall type amps.
 
Even with the same speakers installed, the individual cab itself makes a huge difference. For example I’ve tried many V30 loaded cabs from different brands and they all sound vastly different. And within brands, straight baffle vs slant baffle sounds different as well. For what it’s worth, I’ve always preferred straight baffle cabs, they sound bigger to me.

Personally, I’ve never liked 4x12 cabs with two types of speakers in an X pattern. They’ve always sounded weird and off-balance to me. if you’re going to put two types of speakers in a cab, put the quieter speakers in the top row and the louder speakers in the bottom row.

My favorite speakers for high gain are a mix of V30’s and Greenbacks (EVH Greenbacks preferably). My favorite 4x12 cabs are EVH 4x12’s, Marshall 1960 cabs, and Mesa Recto cabs in both OS and Traditional sizes.
 
fek said:
The 1960's cabs are usually pretty easy to find at cheap prices locally. Depending on where you live I guess, and they are also the industry standard for a reason. Swapping V30's into your cab will definitely change the tone quite a bit. Whether it works for you or not is something that you would need to test out. If you can find the right deal, might be cheaper to buy a 1960 with V30's already in it than buying V30's straight up and swapping.
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I agree. Ditch the cab, and get a better one. You can buy a full cab loaded with V30's, vs. buying 4 V30's and trying to polish a turd.
 
It's hit or miss. I think the greenback type is the most natural sounding. Tried everything,...my best two cabs are a 76 Marshall 1960B with original blackbacks and a Hiwatt 1976 with Fanes. The second best marshall cab I had was a JCM800 1960B with the dreaded G12M70 speakers that everyone hates. Go figure.
 
Searay said:
It's hit or miss. I think the greenback type is the most natural sounding. Tried everything,...my best two cabs are a 76 Marshall 1960B with original blackbacks and a Hiwatt 1976 with Fanes. The second best marshall cab I had was a JCM800 1960B with the dreaded G12M70 speakers that everyone hates. Go figure.
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For years the original G12 65 was my fav. I’d sell a cab only to miss them…so I’d look for another. More times than not, a 260w labeled cab came with 70s. Ugh. Returned them quick. But one 1983 cab sounded pretty good with the 70s. My Naylor actually like a pair in a home brew 212 that I bought for my kid. Lol
 
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