mixohoytian":29y32yp6 said:
vocal tuning is cheating
but it's pretty standard these days
I tell you for a fact, vocal lessons do nothing if you aren't born with an ear
I firmly believe, if you aren't born with it, then the only way to get an ear is to pick up an instrument, learn the basics, and really practice scales with your instrument and voice at the same time
just a side note
has anyone noticed out of tune moments in classic rock?
they are all over the place
we are so used to hearing everything perfect these days..
listen to tom petty, led zep etc...
you will hear out of tune notes, but not a big deal
was way more organic back then
Grrr, I hate posts like this.
First off, this is coming from both a producer and musician viewpoint.
Vocal lessons did a lot for me and I was unable to sing. I sounded terrible, now I sound passable. Vocal lessons do a LOT if you have a good coach. That's like saying guitar lessons will do nothing unless you were born with the ability to play. If I'm doing a full album with someone, I suggest they book a couple sessions with a vocal coach before they do vocals, and guess what? It helps....
Though I end up tuning their vocals anyway.
There is a reason for this. These days, there is a perceived quality to the overall sound of a record, with all of the instruments being in tune at the top of that list. Someone who tunes vocals properly won't hard tune every vocal. I only tune notes that are way out, focusing on getting the best performance and the most emotion possible out of the singer. If it's a kickass take, but one note is a step out, keep the take. You never know if the singer will be able to replicate the feel.
YMMV, IMHO, and depending on what style of music you play.
Live, there's nothing wrong with having a helping hand on stage. Delay...reverb...compression, those are all helping hands to get the vocals to sound pleasing. I know that I've been contemplating using some sort of vocal processor so that I can control all of my own effects via MIDI and our laptop that we use on stage. That might include minor pitch correction. I sing backups, not to mention I run around the stage like an asshole for most of the set. At a point, I run out of steam, and being able to sing in-tune would be great. This is something that I would use ONLY on those parts that are exceedingly difficult for me to sing under normal circumstances.
Boom.
Has your friend tried vocal lessons?
