Anyone using a diezel for their brit type tones

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hey all, does anyone use a diezel for their marshall type tones. I know its real thick and liked by the metal guys but do people like it for its mid gain crunch/boosted for older metal/rock. I hear its from the marshall type family but germanized (not sure thats a word)
 
My Einstein on ch.1 mode 2 gets a real convincing Marshall type tone. Very versatile amp!
 
I mean you could play a gig of any genre with a VH4 or Herbert no problems. But if you're a real tone guy wanting fairly authentic Marshall tones then a Diezel is not a good choice. Friedman, Wizard, Bogner - even Soldano are a whole lot closer. In fact along with Mesa, the Diezel sound is about as far away as it gets in the popular high-gain category.
 
Warren Di Martini was using a VH4 for many years, can’t get more 80s than that.
 
au contraire, I heard a youtube video with a vh2 that was sexy as fuck.
I had a vh2. It was a wonderful sounding amp
 
I can killer AC/DC tones on Herbert. Channel 2 with the - switch on . It’s very do able IMO . Especially with el34s inside
 
You can get closer on a VHX as it's a lot more versatile EQ. The Hagen Ch2 can get closer to that sound than the VH4 Ch2. The VH4 I've never quite nailed it though. If you crank the volume to use the power tubes more rather than over saturating the preamp to create all the gain it can help though. It seems to miss that clear and gainy Marshall 'Kerranggggg' element. Might be close enough for rock roll in live band mix, and if it's boosted anyway.
I can't speak for the other Diezel amps.
 
Yes. Einstein (Ch1 or 2) and / or Herbert (2+, no mid-cut) work well for me. That plus the reliability and all the useful bells and whistles (MIDI etc.) as well as the super nice people with exceptional customer service makes the difference to me.
 
ZEN Amps said:
I mean you could play a gig of any genre with a VH4 or Herbert no problems. But if you're a real tone guy wanting fairly authentic Marshall tones then a Diezel is not a good choice. Friedman, Wizard, Bogner - even Soldano are a whole lot closer. In fact along with Mesa, the Diezel sound is about as far away as it gets in the popular high-gain category.
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I think it depends on the Marshall model and what you want to achieve, but imho Diezels are in the Marshall sound-base camp ('british'), wheras Mesa is in the Fender sound-base camp ('american'). At least to my ears. I use lower output pickups, gain around 10-11 o'clock. After a about 30mins warm-up and with some volume behind it the Diezels roar nicely.
 
Nope.
And I wouldn't use my Marshalls for my Diezel tone.
Or my Ultralead for my Mesa tone.
Or my distortion box for my clean tone.
Or a hammer as a screwdriver.
And certainly don't use a zip tie as a cock ring. That lesson hurt badly.
 
Skirmish said:
I think it depends on the Marshall model and what you want to achieve...
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True - I'm talking 1959 or 2203 really. Have owned a number of Diezels, still do, and whilst they sound great they just don't sound particularly Marshally compared to many, many other brands. This is a good thing.
 
I think like zen said, it’s a matter of how much of a stickler you are about tone. In my opinion, no you can’t really do Marshall tones with the diezel stuff. The midrange doesn’t sit at all like a Marshall, which is where the Marshall tone comes from or Atleast a lot of it. The high end on diezels is also way less aggressive and bitey in general, the mids sit lower and are way more complex and super compressed, it’s just a whole lot different.


On that note, if you turn down the deep and presence knobs to zero on the Herbert, you effectively take out the negative feedback that is inherent in high gain amps that give them “that sound”, and make it behave much more like a fender or Marshall style circuit. It sounds great when doing this, and I’ve coped a very similar eerily close fade to black style tone on my Herbert doing this.
 
"On that note, if you turn down the deep and presence knobs to zero on the Herbert..."

You sick fucking pervert!!
I've been very kind and encouraging to you for a long time,but this is the last straw!
You are desecrating the Diezel ideology, and I will not stand for your blasphemy.
(this is a reactionary post cross-referencing another thread...because it makes me laugh)
 
ZEN Amps said:
True - I'm talking 1959 or 2203 really. Have owned a number of Diezels, still do, and whilst they sound great they just don't sound particularly Marshally compared to many, many other brands. This is a good thing.
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Well I wouldnt buy a Diezel to try and cop Marshall tones but the OP asked if anyone uses it for those type of tones. D-Moll is also versatile enough to cop a Marshall on channel 1 mode 2. While I wouldnt do an AC/DC tribute show with it, I use mine for those type of tones on a song or two and it absolutely works. I got the Einstein and the D-moll for the versatility, and there are all kinds of usable tones in them both.
 
I also agree that you don't need a Diezel to do Marshall tones (even though it can get close, it is a Diezel, not a Marshall). Put differently - and to my preferences only, OP's are probably different but I thought that was the question: Diezel is my main sound and I would not blend it with a Marshall, because that territory ('british') is perfectly covered. But I like to blend it with a Mark or Recto ('american') sound because I find them to be different and overall complementary if that makes any sense. I like all the different amps and tones and at least try to be as tone snobby as I can.?
 
It’s funny, I think most of the Diezel range (but especially the VH4) are much more rock amps than metal ones. Circuit-wise the preamps are generally very different to any Marshall - Peter Diezel is quite vocal about disliking the use of treble peakers and bright bypass caps, both of which are pretty much signature Marshall moves. I guess the Diezels might be closer to the Orange or Laney sound, if that’s the kind of thing you have in mind when you say “British”.
The most “Marshall” I’ve heard is VH4 ch2 with the bright on (that’s a treble peaker in action, unusually for a Diezel) and from what I hear the Paul is supposed to be more Marshall-voiced but I’ve not tried one myself.
 
I’ve never played a diezel but every clip I’ve heard is about as opposite a Marshall as could be
 
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