Arpegiod / Sweep licks

[halford]

i am stuck on diminished, harmonic minor (aeolan), and phrygian (key of E or Em).

i just move them around the neck into different key notations for whatever im playing.

thats really all for arpeggios. i usually do my own modal changes mainly, i think better in a modal standpoint up and down the neck, which spans the two modes above plus dorian and ionian (sp?) as well.

Hey man, how does this work?

Can you please explain a little more?

Halford

 

[glpg80]

you have different modes for different keys. arpeggios are ways to skip between the BS and hit the same 3 notes over and over in a certain key.

the ones that yngwie always plays are E and A, A is the harmonic minor of the key of E if you play a minor triad. to learn how to connect them - learn the modes phrygian which is the key of E's emphasis, and the mode for the key of A which is aeolean.

the harmonic minor are the notes A C E, but can be moved into different locations for emphasis on different notes in that key. so its made to sound like A, but can be shifted horizontally (or vertically....but that gets complicated) to work with whatever key you need.

thats what yngwie does =]

if you need more help send me a PM and i can try to explain it better. sorry if its still confusing

 

[Khoi]

been learning this... it's a doozy. The fingering on the first arpeggio is weird

Scarified (learning both sweeping parts for a harmony!)

--21p-17----------------17-21p-17-----------------------
---------19----------19-----------19--------------------
------------19----19-----------------20-16s-14----------
---------------19------------------------------16-------
--------------------------------------------------17----
--------------------------------------------------------


--------------16-19p-16-----19p-16p-13----------------------------13h-16h--17~----
-----------17-----------17--------------------------------------------------------
--------16-----------------------------19p-16p-13-----13h-16h-19------------------
-----18---------------------------------------------------------------------------
--19-----------------------------------------------17-----------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And here's the harmonized part (Bruce's part, it's actually easier )

--17p-14----------------14-17p-14---------------------
---------15----------15-----------16------------------
------------14----14-----------------16-14------------
---------------16--------------------------16---------
----------------------------------------------18-14---
------------------------------------------------------



--------------12-16p-12-----16p-13p-10--------------------------10h-13h-14~----
-----------12-----------12-----------------------------------------------------
--------13-----------------------------16p-13p-10----10h-13h-16----------------
-----14------------------------------------------------------------------------
--14----------------------------------------------14---------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Ethn Hayabusa]

you have different modes for different keys. arpeggios are ways to skip between the BS and hit the same 3 notes over and over in a certain key.

the ones that yngwie always plays are E and A, A is the harmonic minor of the key of E if you play a minor triad. to learn how to connect them - learn the modes phrygian which is the key of E's emphasis, and the mode for the key of A which is aeolean.

the harmonic minor are the notes A C E, but can be moved into different locations for emphasis on different notes in that key. so its made to sound like A, but can be shifted horizontally (or vertically....but that gets complicated) to work with whatever key you need.

thats what yngwie does =]

if you need more help send me a PM and i can try to explain it better. sorry if its still confusing

Apologies for the long post

I really hate to contradict, but:

That's not at all what modes are. Modes are the different sounds you get by playing a major scale against various bass notes of the same key. For instance, the notes of the C major scale (CDEFGAB) played against a C major chord, or even just a C bass note would be Ionian. The same notes played over a D bass note, or D minor chord would be Dorian, same notes over an E note or E minor chord would be Phrygian, same notes over F or an F major chord would be Lydian, same notes over G or G major would be Mixolydian, same notes over an A bass note or an A minor chord would be Aeolian, and same notes over a B bass note, or a B diminished triad would be Locrian.

To put it in perspective, C Ionian is the EXACT same scale as D dorian, E phrygian, F Lydian, G mixolydian, A Aeolian, and B Locrian. The only difference is what bass note or chord you play that scale over. The notes for all seven modes are CDEFGAB, but the emphasis is placed on the bass note when the mode changes, so CDEFGAB is Ionian, DEFGABC is Dorian, EFGABCD is Phrygian, FGABCDE is Lydian, GABCDEF is Mixolydian, ABCDEFG is Aeolian, and BDEFGABC is Locrian. It doesn't really matter what note you start on when you play the notes, it just matters what bass note you are playing over. The modal effect is a byproduct of the way the notes from a scale interact with the bass note.

When you play CDEFGAB against a C bass or C major triad, the ear hears those pitches as the intervals 1234567. When you play the SAME pitches over a D bass note the ear hears D as the 1, E as the 2, F as the minor third (b3), G as 4th, A as the 5th, B as the 6th (sometimes called a Major Sixth, a key component of the Dorian sound) and the C as a b7, or minor seventh.

Harmonic Minor has the same notes as an A natural minor scale (12b345b6b7) but the 7th degree is the same as the major scale, so the formula would be 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 instead. The notes starting on A would be A B C D E F G#. Harmonic minor also has modes when played over different bass notes from that same scale.

If any of this is confusing, then a study of intervals and chords is mandatory.

All the best.

 

[Random Hero]

you have different modes for different keys. arpeggios are ways to skip between the BS and hit the same 3 notes over and over in a certain key.

the ones that yngwie always plays are E and A, A is the harmonic minor of the key of E if you play a minor triad. to learn how to connect them - learn the modes phrygian which is the key of E's emphasis, and the mode for the key of A which is aeolean.

the harmonic minor are the notes A C E, but can be moved into different locations for emphasis on different notes in that key. so its made to sound like A, but can be shifted horizontally (or vertically....but that gets complicated) to work with whatever key you need.

thats what yngwie does =]

if you need more help send me a PM and i can try to explain it better. sorry if its still confusing

Sorry man but this is just confusing and it's basically all wrong. Arpeggios aren't ways to "skip between the BS and hit the same 3 notes over and over in a certain key", they're broken chords. Take CMaj7 for example; to play that arpeggio you'd need to play the notes C E G B. That's more than 3 notes too...

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "A is the harmonic minor in the key of E if you play a minor triad" but if you were playing A harmonic minor, you'd be playing E phrygian dominant, not E phrygian as A harmonic minor has a G#, not a G natural.

As for harmonic minor, A C E is just a minor triad. It could be A dorian, A phrygian, A aelion, A harmonic minor, A melodic minor or whatever. Harmonic minor needs a major 7th in it to give it that tonality which in A is G#.


Ethn was spot on with the modes.

 

[chunktone]

you have different modes for different keys. arpeggios are ways to skip between the BS and hit the same 3 notes over and over in a certain key.

the ones that yngwie always plays are E and A, A is the harmonic minor of the key of E if you play a minor triad. to learn how to connect them - learn the modes phrygian which is the key of E's emphasis, and the mode for the key of A which is aeolean.

the harmonic minor are the notes A C E, but can be moved into different locations for emphasis on different notes in that key. so its made to sound like A, but can be shifted horizontally (or vertically....but that gets complicated) to work with whatever key you need.

thats what yngwie does =]

if you need more help send me a PM and i can try to explain it better. sorry if its still confusing

Hey man, I don't mean to be a dick, but virtually everything in this post is wrong. All modes can be played in all keys. Arpeggios are simply chords played as scales, not a way to "skip between the bs", and play the same 3 notes over and over. Some arpeggios have more than 3 notes. A is the 4th of E, not the Harmonic minor. I could go on, but don't have time.

 

[halford]

you have different modes for different keys. arpeggios are ways to skip between the BS and hit the same 3 notes over and over in a certain key.

the ones that yngwie always plays are E and A, A is the harmonic minor of the key of E if you play a minor triad. to learn how to connect them - learn the modes phrygian which is the key of E's emphasis, and the mode for the key of A which is aeolean.

the harmonic minor are the notes A C E, but can be moved into different locations for emphasis on different notes in that key. so its made to sound like A, but can be shifted horizontally (or vertically....but that gets complicated) to work with whatever key you need.

thats what yngwie does =]

if you need more help send me a PM and i can try to explain it better. sorry if its still confusing

Apologies for the long post

I really hate to contradict, but:

That's not at all what modes are. Modes are the different sounds you get by playing a major scale against various bass notes of the same key. For instance, the notes of the C major scale (CDEFGAB) played against a C major chord, or even just a C bass note would be Ionian. The same notes played over a D bass note, or D minor chord would be Dorian, same notes over an E note or E minor chord would be Phrygian, same notes over F or an F major chord would be Lydian, same notes over G or G major would be Mixolydian, same notes over an A bass note or an A minor chord would be Aeolian, and same notes over a B bass note, or a B diminished triad would be Locrian.

To put it in perspective, C Ionian is the EXACT same scale as D dorian, E phrygian, F Lydian, G mixolydian, A Aeolian, and B Locrian. The only difference is what bass note or chord you play that scale over. The notes for all seven modes are CDEFGAB, but the emphasis is placed on the bass note when the mode changes, so CDEFGAB is Ionian, DEFGABC is Dorian, EFGABCD is Phrygian, FGABCDE is Lydian, GABCDEF is Mixolydian, ABCDEFG is Aeolian, and BDEFGABC is Locrian. It doesn't really matter what note you start on when you play the notes, it just matters what bass note you are playing over. The modal effect is a byproduct of the way the notes from a scale interact with the bass note.

When you play CDEFGAB against a C bass or C major triad, the ear hears those pitches as the intervals 1234567. When you play the SAME pitches over a D bass note the ear hears D as the 1, E as the 2, F as the minor third (b3), G as 4th, A as the 5th, B as the 6th (sometimes called a Major Sixth, a key component of the Dorian sound) and the C as a b7, or minor seventh.

Harmonic Minor has the same notes as an A natural minor scale (12b345b6b7) but the 7th degree is the same as the major scale, so the formula would be 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 instead. The notes starting on A would be A B C D E F G#. Harmonic minor also has modes when played over different bass notes from that same scale.

If any of this is confusing, then a study of intervals and chords is mandatory.

All the best.

Very good explanation of Scales/Modes!!!

I know all about modes.

I think glpg80 knwos about modes

I think hes saying a way to look at triades arpegios in modes?

Halford

 

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