Bogner Ecstasy 101b vs Diezel D Moll

[yngzaklynch]

Who has played both. Love my Ecstasy but super curious about the Diezel. The only way to get the Diezel would be to sell the Bogner. Need some feedback from those that have played both. I have played the Herbert, VH4 and briefly played the Einstien.

 

[gtr31]

Who has played both. Love my Ecstasy but super curious about the Diezel. The only way to get the Diezel would be to sell the Bogner. Need some feedback from those that have played both. I have played the Herbert, VH4 and briefly played the Einstien.

I love your Xtc clips man
IMO if you have played those Diezel
You are familiar with the signature
Sound
The Dmoll may be somewhat different but
It's still gonna be a Diezel
So IMO if the other ones you played
Did not move you or you didn't like as much
As your Xtc I would not make that
Choice

 

[yngzaklynch]

The other Diezels were really fun to play through.

 

[mooncobra]

personally, I would take the xtc over the diezel any day!! but, if you are dmoll crazy, check san fran craigslist, there was a dmoll for cheap.

what xtc do you have? selling?

 

[glassjaw7]

I played a Dmoll last weekend. Got to spend some quality time with it. Amazing modern sounding amp. Really versatile too. It has the crisp, detailed trademark Diezel tone for sure. I liked it better than the Herbert, no question, and it may have slightly edged the Fokker. Depending on the cab I played them through, the Lil Fokker and Dmoll were close for high gain. I think the VH4 is still my favorite Diezel but the Dmoll is right there with it and can maybe get a little more aggressive.

I've spent a lot of time with the 101b as well. They are so different that you'd be completely changing everything about your tone if you switched it up. The Bogner has that gooey compressed tone that sings on leads and the epic blue channel tone. The Diezel is open and has a more "clean" clean channel... The Diezel is harder sounding and more raw in the feel, meaning the give that it has when you dig into a big chunky chord or palm-mute.

IMO,
Bogner = finesse for lead playing, amazing blue crunch tone, good clean tone but a bit murky, high gain rhythm tones are decent.
Diezel = More clarity, holds together better for tight high gain, better clean, harder feel.

 

[yngzaklynch]

Ok lets throw the CAA PT100 into the mix. Played one once and dug it

 

[carlygtr]

Ok lets through the CAA PT100 into the mix. Played one once and dug it

Not a good move. I had that amp a year and could have played bass thru it. The gain had a gritty quality, IMO. I hated it. I'd take ANY Bogner or just about anything else instead of that 3K boat anchor.

 

[yngzaklynch]

When i played it i thought it was kinda Marshally with a ton of gain

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

I had both at the same time and there was no comparison. The 101b is a cool amp, but the DMoll was more open and just sounds so much more present. I didn't know what people were talking about the blanket effect until I played the DMoll side by side with the XTC. I wouldn't even think twice if I were you.

 

[magh8]

I have owned an XTC and honestly as versatile as it was it just wasn't my thing... I did however manage to get my hands on a Dmoll over the weekend... pretty bad ass amp..imo it's what herbie should have been...

 

[yngzaklynch]

personally, I would take the xtc over the diezel any day!! but, if you are dmoll crazy, check san fran craigslist, there was a dmoll for cheap.

what xtc do you have? selling?

Have a 101b in excellent condition. Might consider moving but not 100%

 

[rokket2005]

Interesting that you're pitting these two amps against each other, as I was looking at both of them for a while also. I picked up my xtc classic about 2 weeks ago after waiting for a nice deal on a dmoll to pop up for like the last 5-6 months or so. Loving my xtc, but I really only needed it for mid gain crunchy sounds as I have higain covered 10 different ways to sunday with my other amps, havent really heard any mid gain sounds come out of a dmoll so I'd expect that either that's not what it really does well, or people buying the dmoll aren't interested in the sounds it gets in that vein. Some of both I suspect.

 

[yngzaklynch]

I figure I can always go back to the Ecstasy. Bogner amps will be around for a long time. Just to curious not to give the D Moll a try. Put my Bogner up in the classifieds

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

you won't be disappointed, I'd snag the one in the classifieds if I had the extra loot
DMoll is easy to dial in and sounds better at low volumes to (if you need to jam late at night) and when it opens up the low end is really big and punches you in the chest

 

[tlingen]

I don't mean to change the topic but can I ask a Dmoll question? Can the Dmoll also get 80's metal/hair metal tones or would I need another amp for those songs at a gig? Think Steel Panther, Ratt, Dokken, Megadeth, etc. Can it get Marshally or is it allot like the Herbert?

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

it won't sound like a Marshall - but yes you could dial the DMoll for that type of music, don't use the mid cut feature if you're going to as it adds low mid frequencies (big thick chewy low mids )

with the mid cut off - there's more upper mid frequencies.

 

[RG955TT]

IMO two very different amps. I would take my Diezel to certain gigs for certain types of music and same with the Bogner although I'd say I could cover a lot more ground stylistically on the XTC..

 

[1meanplexi]

Ok lets throw the CAA PT100 into the mix. Played one once and dug it

I have the PT100 and I love that amp! But.....since I got my VH4 the PT has been sitting covered for the last year plus. I have been know for getting GAS hard and have listened to (and played) most of the Diezel amps. Nothing has dethroned the king. Did you get the D Moll? That is one I did play through and indeed found it to be a great amp. Little hairy on the gain side but nothing that could not be solved with a preamp (or two) tube swap.

 

[yngzaklynch]

Decided to keep it.

 

[SLOgriff]

You made the right choice my friend! Glad you're still diggin' the amp!

Bryan