Boogie cabs - whats the difference between...

[JakeAC5253]

The Roadster will have more pronounced mids and not sound as boxy or scooped out.

Since "boxy" and "scooped" are essentially polar opposite characteristics, that really didn't make any sense.

No they're not actually. Not to me anyway. Let me put it this way. When something sounds hollow to me or has a lack of mids, I consider it "boxy" sometimes. In this case I think the Stiletto/Roadster cabs have much more bite and "breathe" better. I don't like the recto cabs nearly as much, although I do own a recto 212. It's cool but after playing the stiletto I'd switch in a heartbeat.

In my experiences, a tone that is "boxy" is congested and lacking in mids or certain high frequencies. That's been a pretty consistent take on that definition of sound as far as I can tell.

If too much mids = nasal, then how can congested = lack of mids?

 

[some dude]

Recording was with a 6505 and mic'd with an SM57.

These are the 4x12 versions, but it's a little better description than an argument about boxes.

(Not my clips... found them over on UltimateMetal)

 

[JakeAC5253]

Recording was with a 6505 and mic'd with an SM57.

These are the 4x12 versions, but it's a little better description than an argument about boxes.

(Not my clips... found them over on UltimateMetal)

I don't believe this is an accurate portrayal of both cabs. I know they are not yours, I am just saying. I think mic position is the operative factor here. I think either the person doing the clips didn't spend the time to ensure same or similar mic positioning, or he wanted to bias the clips. I know of a better comparison, hold on I'll try to find it.

 

[glassjaw7]

The Roadster will have more pronounced mids and not sound as boxy or scooped out.

Since "boxy" and "scooped" are essentially polar opposite characteristics, that really didn't make any sense.

No they're not actually. Not to me anyway. Let me put it this way. When something sounds hollow to me or has a lack of mids, I consider it "boxy" sometimes. In this case I think the Stiletto/Roadster cabs have much more bite and "breathe" better. I don't like the recto cabs nearly as much, although I do own a recto 212. It's cool but after playing the stiletto I'd switch in a heartbeat.

In my experiences, a tone that is "boxy" is congested and lacking in mids or certain high frequencies. That's been a pretty consistent take on that definition of sound as far as I can tell.

normal or high mids = nasal, then how can congested = lack of mids?

Too much mids = clear, open nasal passages.

Congested or stuffy nasal passages can't breathe correctly =Congested or low mids

 

[glassjaw7]

Those two clips sound almost identical to my experience with both cabs. First one sounded very much like my recto 212 and like every one I have ever played.
Stiletto cab was more more smooth and pronounced in the mids and less harsh in the highs. I thought it was pretty accurate, but like you said I'm sure the mic position played a part too.

 

[some dude]

I don't believe this is an accurate portrayal of both cabs. I know they are not yours, I am just saying. I think mic position is the operative factor here. I think either the person doing the clips didn't spend the time to ensure same or similar mic positioning, or he wanted to bias the clips. I know of a better comparison, hold on I'll try to find it.

I think they're accurate. It's not how I would've dialled things in... but to each his own.

If I remember correctly the mic position on each cab is different... he mic'd each cab properly instead of trying to get the position identical in each clip. Identical positioning would favour one cab more than the other, so going that route is not exactly fair either.

The dude who actually did the recordings (Lasse Lammert) is a German producer who runs his own studio. You can check out soundclips on his website.

http://www.lsd-tonstudio.de/

 

[JakeAC5253]

That's exactly what I thought he did. It sounded to me like he mic'd the Stiletto cab first, then when it came time to mic the Recto cab he said "ok, this cab has more low end, so I have to shift the mic toward the center of the cone so that it sounds more like the previous cab" rather than just miking up both cabs so that they both sound their personal best and comparing. That is what I consider to be biasing the results. The Recto clip above sounds nothing like a Recto cab does in real life, it's all fizz and no low end at all. A Recto cab over the Stiletto should have a rounder low end, less fizz, and a shift in the mids. These clips do not show that.

This is how a Recto cab should sound:
http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?s ... value=8983

 

[some dude]

This is how a Recto cab should sound:
http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?s ... value=8983

That's how a Recto cab should sound being pushed by a Recto (nice tone BTW). The clips above are with a 6505.

 

[MontyW]

This is how a Recto cab should sound:
http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?s ... value=8983

That's how a Recto cab should sound being pushed by a Recto (nice tone BTW). The clips above are with a 6505.

Love it - love the tone!

 

[glassjaw7]

That's exactly what I thought he did. It sounded to me like he mic'd the Stiletto cab first, then when it came time to mic the Recto cab he said "ok, this cab has more low end, so I have to shift the mic toward the center of the cone so that it sounds more like the previous cab" rather than just miking up both cabs so that they both sound their personal best and comparing. That is what I consider to be biasing the results. The Recto clip above sounds nothing like a Recto cab does in real life, it's all fizz and no low end at all. A Recto cab over the Stiletto should have a rounder low end, less fizz, and a shift in the mids. These clips do not show that.

This is how a Recto cab should sound:
http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?s ... value=8983

Every Stiletto cab I've played has had less fizz than the Recto cab by comparison. I've AB'd them many times and the Traditional/Stiletto cabs always have less fizz and a better, smoother high end.

Nice clip though man, sounded great!