Breakdown of mods?

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Is there a thread explaining all the various mods involved in the Kitchen Sink?

I was under the impression the C45 is a mod, but some of the discussions here make it sound like it's just a switch that you can have on/off with the BE, or HBE. How does the C45 sound compared to just the BE?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to sort out what I want in my amp (without bothering Dave too much ;) )
 
The c45 and the BE and HBE are all mods that are inc. in the Kitchen sink. The c45 is slightly more gain a bit more bass and treb then the BE but is also slightly smoother then the BE and has a classic marshall kind of tone. All are cool for the things they do.
 
Thanks Dave. I think I'm going to stick with what we had discussed, which would be the BE, C45, Sat, loop, and line out. I'm almost ready to send it out to you -- probably another month or so.
 
There is one more thing. I have a 6 position high end cut switch that is very cool. Tailors the high end to peoples liking its cool.
 
RACKSYSTEMS":212nwry3 said:
There is one more thing. I have a 6 position high end cut switch that is very cool. Tailors the high end to peoples liking its cool.
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How much for that mod Dave?
 
Here's my impression after having 3 KS modded Marshalls at my studio for a year or so. The BE is the foundation, it is the best sounding mod and IMO the most useful for what we do as producers. The HBE is a lot of fun to play and has more gain and is a little narrower sounding then the BE. It does not sound like a gainier version of the BE to me at all, it has it's own thing. I love playing it but almost never actually use it when recording, it's just to much for most of the records I make. The C45 to me is more upper mid forward and great for secondary parts, imagine the rhythm being BE and the octave part being C45, C45 will cut through the BE without having to me turned up or panned, it just has an upper mid bump that helps it cut. Keep in mind I don't do a lot of metal and no 80's style music ever so my experiences are based on doing mostly modern rock stuff. A lot of what I hear on the site is way to dated sounding for my taste and would be pretty useless in a modern rock setting, the Friedman mods are the best to me because they really sound fresh.
 
James Lugo":3jake7ge said:
Here's my impression after having 3 KS modded Marshalls at my studio for a year or so. The BE is the foundation, it is the best sounding mod and IMO the most useful for what we do as producers. The HBE is a lot of fun to play and has more gain and is a little narrower sounding then the BE. It does not sound like a gainier version of the BE to me at all, it has it's own thing. I love playing it but almost never actually use it when recording, it's just to much for most of the records I make. The C45 to me is more upper mid forward and great for secondary parts, imagine the rhythm being BE and the octave part being C45, C45 will cut through the BE without having to me turned up or panned, it just has an upper mid bump that helps it cut. Keep in mind I don't do a lot of metal and no 80's style music ever so my experiences are based on doing mostly modern rock stuff. A lot of what I hear on the site is way to dated sounding for my taste and would be pretty useless in a modern rock setting, the Friedman mods are the best to me because they really sound fresh.
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Thanks for the synopsis James and that is pretty much exactly where I am at with the mods too. The BE is just simply the ticket to tone whether set on 2 or 10 gain settings. Dial up some driven Plexi with it low and toward a good level of 800 gain toward the top. I haven't been back on the HBE since finding my way around the BE.

The ultimate Friedman set up to me would be something like Cantrell's with the BE (Mad) and the HBE (Pissed) where the HBE can be layered on top of the BE in live settings for leads and other fills or fooling around.

Haven't ordered anything with a C45 yet.

Steve
 
the traditional c45 is cool. The one I do in the KS is not exactly what I intended its a bit different.
 
Maybe I just go for the BE and HBE and skip the C45? Too many choices! :) :doh:
 
James Lugo":3aixtvzr said:
Here's my impression after having 3 KS modded Marshalls at my studio for a year or so. The BE is the foundation, it is the best sounding mod and IMO the most useful for what we do as producers. The HBE is a lot of fun to play and has more gain and is a little narrower sounding then the BE. It does not sound like a gainier version of the BE to me at all, it has it's own thing. I love playing it but almost never actually use it when recording, it's just to much for most of the records I make. The C45 to me is more upper mid forward and great for secondary parts, imagine the rhythm being BE and the octave part being C45, C45 will cut through the BE without having to me turned up or panned, it just has an upper mid bump that helps it cut. Keep in mind I don't do a lot of metal and no 80's style music ever so my experiences are based on doing mostly modern rock stuff. A lot of what I hear on the site is way to dated sounding for my taste and would be pretty useless in a modern rock setting, the Friedman mods are the best to me because they really sound fresh.
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Good breakdown James. Based on your post and what I have seen others comment on, I got the impression that the Brown Eye is the most popular of the mods. It makes sense though because it is the "base" tone. With most amps I have played, the majority of people always go back to that core tone. On other amps it is normally the "amber" channel. People like dabbling in the "red" channel but don't usually stay there for standard riffs.

I haven't received my amp yet but from what I imagine, the HBE would be great for someone who can't crank their amp in a bedroom playing scenario, but I might be wrong.
 
James Lugo":3mac2yz1 said:
Here's my impression after having 3 KS modded Marshalls at my studio for a year or so. The BE is the foundation, it is the best sounding mod and IMO the most useful for what we do as producers. The HBE is a lot of fun to play and has more gain and is a little narrower sounding then the BE. It does not sound like a gainier version of the BE to me at all, it has it's own thing. I love playing it but almost never actually use it when recording, it's just to much for most of the records I make. The C45 to me is more upper mid forward and great for secondary parts, imagine the rhythm being BE and the octave part being C45, C45 will cut through the BE without having to me turned up or panned, it just has an upper mid bump that helps it cut. Keep in mind I don't do a lot of metal and no 80's style music ever so my experiences are based on doing mostly modern rock stuff. A lot of what I hear on the site is way to dated sounding for my taste and would be pretty useless in a modern rock setting, the Friedman mods are the best to me because they really sound fresh.
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This is the same senario for live. BE sounds best IMO. :rock:
 
LP Freak,

I might respectfully disagree. HBE with the gain 1/2 to 3/4 and the C-45 pulled sounds incredible live. I think it really comes down to the tone you want to get out of the amp.

Mike
 
Jay Strange":2nuvrwjw said:
The C45 is a must with both BE and HBE and depth switch.
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So does the C-45 on a 2203 100 watt Marshall make it more like a JTM 45? I like the headroom of 100 watts. Also does a KS mod include FAT, SAT, Gain cut & loop or are they extra? I think someone said the KS is C45, BE & HBE only.
 
guitarmike":987uvcd8 said:
LP Freak,

I might respectfully disagree. HBE with the gain 1/2 to 3/4 and the C-45 pulled sounds incredible live. I think it really comes down to the tone you want to get out of the amp.

Mike
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I was merely saying less is more live. I do love the C45 on the BE also. Gives it a little different flavor.
 
Just teasing you! You are right, less is more when it comes to dialing in an amp.
 
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