Cameron jose mods vs.voodoo amp jose mods

[nitro]

Which of these two,cameron vs. voodoo amp come the closest to the jose arrendondo mods,which would be more Van halen 1 sounding(first album).

 

[Digital Jams]

If you are looking to get something "brown" I suggest that you start reading the Metro forum as EVH has his own section of the forum.

Or you can go straight to this dude......

http://www.rockstahamps.com/index.html

 

[FUZZboat]

FWIW,

my friedman HBE does VH I in spades ! - better than any other amp I've owned

just ask mailman 1971 - I think he'll agree

 

[FUZZboat]

If you are looking to get something "brown" I suggest that you start reading the Metro forum as EVH has his own section of the forum.

Or you can go straight to this dude......

http://www.rockstahamps.com/index.html

when it comes to rockstahamps

sounds more VH II & WAC 1st tonewise to my ears

Mark sure does have that organic & chewy tone nailed

 

[Anonymous]

If you are looking to get something "brown" I suggest that you start reading the Metro forum as EVH has his own section of the forum.

Or you can go straight to this dude......

http://www.rockstahamps.com/index.html

Let's see... lemme save you some time...

1) buy a stock 12 series super lead or equivalent
2) convert the preamp to 2203 spec (cascade the first two stages, put a 10k on the second stage instead of the 330u/820)
3) lower the filtering (40uF mains, 16uF screens, 16uF PI, dual 32uF preamp.)
4) put in a LarMar PPIMV
5) Dime the preamp gain and master you now have and adjust the PPIMV to taste for overall volume....

Congratulations, you're browned for about $20-30 in parts and some soldering time + the cost of the stock Marshall or Metro you bought... In general this will work with any Super Lead style amp 100 or 50 watt - you're just doing a 2204 cascade on a 50 watt...

Steve

 

[thiswaythatway]

In later interviews Eddie has confirmed that that amp was not modded by Jose, and many amp techs and builders who have serviced it have confirmed that it was stock. Eddie said he wanted to help Jose get some business so he said he modded it when he actually didn't.

I believe it because the Cameron's and Fortins have a LOT more gain than what you need for the VH tone. Of course there's nothing to stop you from lowering the gain knobs and a cranked stock old Superlead sounds great and has just enough gain when it's up that loud.

 

[Digital Jams]

If you are looking to get something "brown" I suggest that you start reading the Metro forum as EVH has his own section of the forum.

Or you can go straight to this dude......

http://www.rockstahamps.com/index.html

Let's see... lemme save you some time...

1) buy a stock 12 series super lead or equivalent
2) convert the preamp to 2203 spec (cascade the first two stages, put a 10k on the second stage instead of the 330u/820)
3) lower the filtering (40uF mains, 16uF screens, 16uF PI, dual 32uF preamp.)
4) put in a LarMar PPIMV
5) Dime the preamp gain and master you now have and adjust the PPIMV to taste for overall volume....

Congratulations, you're browned for about $20-30 in parts and some soldering time + the cost of the stock Marshall or Metro you bought... In general this will work with any Super Lead style amp 100 or 50 watt - you're just doing a 2204 cascade on a 50 watt...

Steve

I did not receive the official annoucement regarding the new standards concerning brown via the Board of Ed, please forward said document.


Regards.

 

[Anonymous]

If you are looking to get something "brown" I suggest that you start reading the Metro forum as EVH has his own section of the forum.

Or you can go straight to this dude......

http://www.rockstahamps.com/index.html

Let's see... lemme save you some time...

1) buy a stock 12 series super lead or equivalent
2) convert the preamp to 2203 spec (cascade the first two stages, put a 10k on the second stage instead of the 330u/820)
3) lower the filtering (40uF mains, 16uF screens, 16uF PI, dual 32uF preamp.)
4) put in a LarMar PPIMV
5) Dime the preamp gain and master you now have and adjust the PPIMV to taste for overall volume....

Congratulations, you're browned for about $20-30 in parts and some soldering time + the cost of the stock Marshall or Metro you bought... In general this will work with any Super Lead style amp 100 or 50 watt - you're just doing a 2204 cascade on a 50 watt...

Steve

I did not receive the official annoucement regarding the new standards concerning brown via the Board of Ed, please forward said document.


Regards.

Simply search for the thread titled "EVH Tone Right Here" on the Board of Ed...

Steve

 

[nitro]

Ive done my homework on van halen,believe me,i used to post on the metro site,you sound check out my old posts on that site,same name(nitro),i was just asking a question about the two amp modders listed above,you sound also check out the very long thread that was on the gear page,i also post there,i know the van halen sound very well also the people i used to talk to in the 70s and 80s,....

 

[mysticaxe]

In later interviews Eddie has confirmed that that amp was not modded by Jose, and many amp techs and builders who have serviced it have confirmed that it was stock. Eddie said he wanted to help Jose get some business so he said he modded it when he actually didn't.

I believe it because the Cameron's and Fortins have a LOT more gain than what you need for the VH tone. Of course there's nothing to stop you from lowering the gain knobs and a cranked stock old Superlead sounds great and has just enough gain when it's up that loud.

You mean gain knobs don't automatically have to be set at 8 or above? I thought that was a guitar player rule!

 

[rupe]

All of the people who posted on that thread who:

A) Got a gain structure closest to VHI
B) Actually saw the internals of the amp

think that he essentially used a stock plexi that di not have a Jose mod. John Suhr confirmed that most of the solder joints were original, speciafically the ones that would have needed to be changed for the "Jose mod".

Pete Thorn and others clearly got enough gain out of a stock amp to do VH. We all know that numerous other factors go into a recorded tone on an album, but it was clear that a mod is unnecessary to reach the level of gain actually used by Ed.

 

[fhn_lopes]

It's crazy bc I see a lot of guys out in Metro forum nailing the tone with stock 68's, slaved or not, even with 71's as well.... different guitars.... pups... but never seen with a 2203/04 cascade style.. In my understaing those mods will not only affect gain, but the amps voicing as well... the 2203/04 sound thinner and tighter than 1959/1987 plexis at all.... I had a stock 2203 in my hand for a while (now friend owns it) and now I have a 1976 JMP50 with metro board 71' specs... the 71' gets a lot closer, with the same guitar.... the 2203 just sounded too trebly and a lot tighter in the low end....

also, if you want that compression on VHI, use a 6 band MXR eq in a frown curve and see what that thing is capable of...

 

[TTripp]

The real question is: Can we get to 51 pages on this thread too?

 

[Digital Jams]

The real question is: Can we get to 51 pages on this thread too?

Not possible as we will not bring such important items into the mix such as guitar straps, old Musicman iron that came out of an old jazzer's amp, and capri pants.

 

[tweed]

The real question is: Can we get to 51 pages on this thread too?

Start slaggin' Carl j/k

I would love to get a massive thread going about plexi internals(boards, etc), I read a ton of that stuff all the time.

 

[thiswaythatway]

All of the people who posted on that thread who:

A) Got a gain structure closest to VHI
B) Actually saw the internals of the amp

think that he essentially used a stock plexi that di not have a Jose mod. John Suhr confirmed that most of the solder joints were original, speciafically the ones that would have needed to be changed for the "Jose mod".

Pete Thorn and others clearly got enough gain out of a stock amp to do VH. We all know that numerous other factors go into a recorded tone on an album, but it was clear that a mod is unnecessary to reach the level of gain actually used by Ed.

Agree, you don't need a modded Marshall to get VH tones. However, it's extremely hard to get that VH tone without cranking the shit out of a Marshall and pissing off the whole neighborhood. Modded amps can get it much much easier and at lower gains.

I have never chased the VH tone but i did a clip with my Fortin and i think i got in the ballpark but the volume on my amp was lower then my TV at what i call a normal TV volume and it was at 11:00pm with my 1 year old sleeping upstairs. Try doing that with your stock Superlead.

 

[mentoneman]

All of the people who posted on that thread who:

A) Got a gain structure closest to VHI
B) Actually saw the internals of the amp

think that he essentially used a stock plexi that di not have a Jose mod. John Suhr confirmed that most of the solder joints were original, speciafically the ones that would have needed to be changed for the "Jose mod".

Pete Thorn and others clearly got enough gain out of a stock amp to do VH. We all know that numerous other factors go into a recorded tone on an album, but it was clear that a mod is unnecessary to reach the level of gain actually used by Ed.

Agree, you don't need a modded Marshall to get VH tones. However, it's extremely hard to get that VH tone without cranking the shit out of a Marshall and pissing off the whole neighborhood. Modded amps can get it much much easier and at lower gains.

I have never chased the VH tone but i did a clip with my Fortin and i think i got in the ballpark but the volume on my amp was lower then my TV at what i call a normal TV volume and it was at 11:00pm with my 1 year old sleeping upstairs. Try doing that with your stock Superlead.

i don't think it's physically possible to get vh tone at tv volumes because of the speaker aspect. if you are trying to decide if it sounds brown because the volume isn't there to clearly feel it, it's not brown.

a speaker, barely moving, is lame.

mark knows the vh factor and his amps reflect that core thing, even at the highest gain, similar to what is heard in mojave and vht amps. the midrange growl and clarity that spanks open.

never played a voodoo but trace is cool and i'd bet he could get some happening vh tone from his circuits as well.

 

[Vrad]

If you are looking to get something "brown" I suggest that you start reading the Metro forum as EVH has his own section of the forum.

Or you can go straight to this dude......

http://www.rockstahamps.com/index.html

Let's see... lemme save you some time...

1) buy a stock 12 series super lead or equivalent
2) convert the preamp to 2203 spec (cascade the first two stages, put a 10k on the second stage instead of the 330u/820)
3) lower the filtering (40uF mains, 16uF screens, 16uF PI, dual 32uF preamp.)
4) put in a LarMar PPIMV
5) Dime the preamp gain and master you now have and adjust the PPIMV to taste for overall volume....

Congratulations, you're browned for about $20-30 in parts and some soldering time + the cost of the stock Marshall or Metro you bought... In general this will work with any Super Lead style amp 100 or 50 watt - you're just doing a 2204 cascade on a 50 watt...

Steve

This...
Seriously. This is it.

 

[jerrydyer]

If you are looking to get something "brown" I suggest that you start reading the Metro forum as EVH has his own section of the forum.

Or you can go straight to this dude......

http://www.rockstahamps.com/index.html

Let's see... lemme save you some time...

1) buy a stock 12 series super lead or equivalent
2) convert the preamp to 2203 spec (cascade the first two stages, put a 10k on the second stage instead of the 330u/820)
3) lower the filtering (40uF mains, 16uF screens, 16uF PI, dual 32uF preamp.)
4) put in a LarMar PPIMV
5) Dime the preamp gain and master you now have and adjust the PPIMV to taste for overall volume....

Congratulations, you're browned for about $20-30 in parts and some soldering time + the cost of the stock Marshall or Metro you bought... In general this will work with any Super Lead style amp 100 or 50 watt - you're just doing a 2204 cascade on a 50 watt...

Steve

listen to steve dont pay some guy $500 to lower filtering and add a PPIMV and cascade your preamp (assuming you have the correct circuit to tweak)

 

[jerrydyer]

All of the people who posted on that thread who:

A) Got a gain structure closest to VHI
B) Actually saw the internals of the amp

think that he essentially used a stock plexi that di not have a Jose mod. John Suhr confirmed that most of the solder joints were original, speciafically the ones that would have needed to be changed for the "Jose mod".

Pete Thorn and others clearly got enough gain out of a stock amp to do VH. We all know that numerous other factors go into a recorded tone on an album, but it was clear that a mod is unnecessary to reach the level of gain actually used by Ed.

Agree, you don't need a modded Marshall to get VH tones. However, it's extremely hard to get that VH tone without cranking the shit out of a Marshall and pissing off the whole neighborhood. Modded amps can get it much much easier and at lower gains.

I have never chased the VH tone but i did a clip with my Fortin and i think i got in the ballpark but the volume on my amp was lower then my TV at what i call a normal TV volume and it was at 11:00pm with my 1 year old sleeping upstairs. Try doing that with your stock Superlead.

i don't think it's physically possible to get vh tone at tv volumes because of the speaker aspect. if you are trying to decide if it sounds brown because the volume isn't there to clearly feel it, it's not brown.

a speaker, barely moving, is lame.

mark knows the vh factor and his amps reflect that core thing, even at the highest gain, similar to what is heard in mojave and vht amps. the midrange growl and clarity that spanks open.

never played a voodoo but trace is cool and i'd bet he could get some happening vh tone from his circuits as well.

I agree with this. its a volume thing. Also if Trace is doing some cool things for a couple hundred, thats cool go with it he was one of the first dudes, who didnt have a huge ego, who was willing to help me. Ill say this again to all you guys, My buddy who never soldered in his life was able to build a metro 100 watt plexi so practice up on the solder and be carefull and ask for help and you can do your own cool stuff.