Civilization Has Disintegrated

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Civilization Has Disintegrated

Paul Craig Roberts

All civilization has disintegrated, not just Western civilization. This fact is obvious from the entire world sitting watching, perhaps as entertainment as Romans watched death in the Colosseum, the Genocide of Gaza. The “moral democratic” US government rushes more bombs and money to enable Israel’s genocide of Palestine. European governments call the genocide “Israel’s right of self-defense.” Christian Zionists justify genocide in Christ’s name. In Europe those whose moral conscience drives them to protest are arrested. In “free and democratic” UK waving a Palestinian flag is cause for arrest. The Muslim world does nothing, displaying its total impotence and lack of self-respect. And the Russians and Chinese sit there and allow the US and Israel to remake the Middle East in their interest, a development that will increase the power of evil.

For those of us mindful of the achievements of Western Civilization, as well as its blemishes and crimes, to experience the complete evaporation of moral consciousness in the Western world is devastating. The West is not merely permitting this to happen, the West is openly participating in the evil. For evil is what it is.

The Israeli Jews portray themselves as victims as they destroy the lives of others. The Israeli Jews who complain of suffering a Holocaust are now conducting one. Things have been turned upside down. Evil is Good, and Good is Evil. Moral conscience has departed the world.
 
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Thought I feel nothing but contempt for the jewish faith and though I am aware of the meddlesome history of jews as a people I refuse to side with idiots in calling for the destruction of the Israeli state or jews in general.

Zechariah 12:3 -4

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

Isaiah 24:21
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

Read about the wild branches that were grafted into the olive tree and read about the natural branches that were torn from the tree, but will be grafted back in in due time. Romans 11:11-23 or thereabout.
 
VonBonfire said:
Thought I feel nothing but contempt for the jewish faith and though I am aware of the meddlesome history of jews as a people I refuse to side with idiots in calling for the destruction of the Israeli state or jews in general.

Zechariah 12:3 -4

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

Isaiah 24:21
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

Read about the wild branches that were grafted into the olive tree and read about the natural branches that were torn from the tree, but will be grafted back in in due time. Romans 11:11-23 or thereabout.
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I don't think PCR is calling for the destruction of Jews, and I'm certainly not! However, Israel as a state for Jews is a problematic concept, at least in so much as there have always existed non-Jews in the area. But as to your Bible verses, are your views informed by them? If so, I don't see the connection. Is it an Orthodox belief? What is their position on the modern nation-state of Israel?
 
denialist said:
I don't think PCR is calling for the destruction of Jews, and I'm certainly not! However, Israel as a state for Jews is a problematic concept, at least in so much as there have always existed non-Jews in the area. But as to your Bible verses, are your views informed by them? If so, I don't see the connection. Is it an Orthodox belief? What is their position on the modern nation-state of Israel?
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Non jews and jews alike have both existed in that area the entire time. They both have a right to exist in that area. Yes, I would say my views are informed by those verses because it boils down to God having a plan to redeem a multitude of individual jews though they no longer be chosen as a nation. The natural branches were torn out when they rejected Christ. The wild branches are the non-jews who are grafted into the olive tree. The native branches are said to be re-grafted to the tree again

Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Zechariah 12:10
Then I will pour out on the house of David and on the people of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me, the One they have pierced. They will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

I'm not sure what you mean by an orthodox connection. Maybe you could clarify what you are asking a little better? Truthfully I am not aware of the orthodox position on Israel so basically I am offering my understanding of it, which could be wrong.. Perhaps I need to do some digging. You ask good questions.
 
VonBonfire said:
I'm not sure what you mean by an orthodox connection. Maybe you could clarify what you are asking a little better? Truthfully I am not aware of the orthodox position on Israel so basically I am offering my understanding of it, which could be wrong.. Perhaps I need to do some digging. You ask good questions.
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Thanks. I meant I didn't necessarily see the connection with your position and the verses you posted, and I wondered if your position reflects the Orthodox view. The Bible does talk a lot about Israel, but my understanding that Biblical Israel is a people and not a place, let alone the modern state.
 
denialist said:
Thanks. I meant I didn't necessarily see the connection with your position and the verses you posted, and I wondered if your position reflects the Orthodox view. The Bible does talk a lot about Israel, but my understanding that Biblical Israel is a people and not a place, let alone the modern state.
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It is a complicated topic. I tend to think it's an illegitimate state. But it IS a state. I see the gov there as akin to our own filthy deep state. In fact, many of our senators and business elites hold dual citizenship.

But tearing it apart would accomplish nothing but creating more havoc and wreckage. As I noted, I think there is a larger plan at work. Often in the bible we see the work of evil men is used to carry out God's will in some roundabout way. I can't think of any examples off hand right this second. I have to gig this weekend and really need to get my chops in shape so maybe I will think about that some more this evening.
 
Israel doesn’t portray itself as anything. Israel was attacked by filthy Islamic extremists that had no humanity. These Islamic scum then hide in the populace under thankfully the mistaken assumption they will get away with it. I’m glad they are getting their just desserts and Israel has taken their own game back to them.
 
VonBonfire said:
It is a complicated topic. I tend to think it's an illegitimate state. But it IS a state. I see the gov there as akin to our own filthy deep state. In fact, many of our senators and business elites hold dual citizenship.
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I think the American public would be shocked by the amount of government officials that hold dual citizenship. Not sure how they can hold security clearances….ohhhh wait…their rules are different from us plebeians…
 
Thumbpicker said:
Israel doesn’t portray itself as anything. Israel was attacked by filthy Islamic extremists that had no humanity. These Islamic scum then hide in the populace under thankfully the mistaken assumption they will get away with it. I’m glad they are getting their just desserts and Israel has taken their own game back to them.
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Your facts are wrong and even if they were right, you think that retaliating against civilians is good? Israel has killed some 16,000 Palestinians (Known), of which 2/3’s are women and children. How many did Hamas supposedly kill? They’ve also displaced 1.7M Palestinians from North Gaza, which is a war crime in itself.
 
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