Coming back to Diezel - advice please

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Okay the fact is I've been playing around for some time with modeller i.e. the Axe Fx now this isn't a criticism of the kit but more of me. I just spent far too much time messing around with the whole thing wether it be amp/cab sims and just not enjoying the tones I got either at home or via house PAs.

So, I'm coming back to Diezel.... BUT I'm unsure which way to go. I've always loved the Herbert from the sparkling cleans to balls out tight metal and the Johnny333 video of the Herbert with his LP Gold top has made me lust after the Herbert even more.

But I've been told I need to 'seriously' look into the Hagen and after listening to the YTube vids (I know they only give an indication of the tones) I'm also liking the Hagen.

I can only have either the Hagen or the Herbert and NOT both lol

I play anything from the Stones > AC/DC > Black Sabbath > through to heavy dropped rhythm metal.... I play both at home (late night recording) through to smaller clubs. I don't care if the amp weighs a tonne or anything like that anymore - this is all about getting my 'keeper' amp.

I also have a 212 front loaded Diezel can with V30s in it.

So Hagen vs Herber - which way would you go?
 
I haven't played the Hebert, but I can tell you that the Hagen sounds awesome!!

That is the I chose to go.

:rock:

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I sell allot of Diezels and IMO the Herbert is the most versatile in the Diezel line.
 
I totally hear you! The time spent tweaking, often gets in the way of actually enjoying playing!! I spent countless hours in tweaking and geeking with the Axe.

So, I have all the pieces you mentioned, AxeFX, Herbert and Hagen. First, I will say that the Hagen is simply AMAZING!!! 4 channels, low volume, high volume, whatever, Hagen delivers the goods, thanks Peter.

In terms of versatility, since you mentioned a variety of sounds you want to be able to get, if Herbert's +/- switch on channel 2 was switchable, it might be an easier choice as far as versatility on the fly. However, I guess it depends on what you need to be switchable. Do you need to have all those sounds you mentioned switchable, or can you manually switch the +/- switch when you need to?? Also, the mid-cut option is a super cool part of Herbert's voice and that IS switchable. Makes a HUGE difference...

I love my Herbert and Jens just did an AMAZING overhaul on it. Herbert has a distinctive voice that I really dig and in fact, I am considering how to blend the sounds of both Herbert and Hagen with my Axe FX too, HOLY CRAP!!

Anyway, if you can keep your Axe and get a Diezel to boot, I would say you are in a place where the tones of champions are at your fingertips! :rock:

Let us know what you decide and GOOD luck, either way, you can't go wrong with DIEZEL!!!
 
You can't go wrong with either, but I'd say Herbert for versatility. Of course it has, in my opinion, the greatest metal rhythm tone of any amp, but it's the cleans that stagger me time and time again - they're phenomenal.

-C
 
Thanks for the comment on the video! I've never played a Hagen but I can't imagine you being disappointed with the herbert. I love it to death!
 
King Guitar":1l8oe5xm said:
I sell allot of Diezels and IMO the Herbert is the most versatile in the Diezel line.
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We have sold 1650 Herberts during the last 4 years.

It´s time for a big order from California ;)
 
I seriously think you would not be disappointed with any amps from the Diezel line. All top notch!!! :lol: :LOL:
 
PaulyPanacea":1m8i27pa said:
I seriously think you would not be disappointed with any amps from the Diezel line. All top notch!!! :lol: :LOL:
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Ah thanks for the top tip Pauly.

PS: Love your Avatar :thumbsup:
 
yeah, any of the line would be amazing. Having said that, care to explain to us what you're after more or less? clean wise, gain wise, maybe name a few bands or show a video of what you're trying to get close to. :)
 
Oh... and at a list price of US $4499.00 for a Herbert, 1650 Herberts = $7,423,350.00 (not bad at all...) :rock:
 
Joeytpg":7o5hukt6 said:
yeah, any of the line would be amazing. Having said that, care to explain to us what you're after more or less? clean wise, gain wise, maybe name a few bands or show a video of what you're trying to get close to. :)
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Here are a few examples of the tones I'm trying to get close to - not replicate but get close:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... K65s-AvGDo "Blues"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... R0RE#t=13s A bit of Doug Aldrich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 3_h4#t=38s through to this - Ektomorph

A big ask for an amp to cover this sort of ground, but would welcome your advice.
 
I think you might be happy with a Herbert.

It'll have those nice sparkly cleans you pointed in the first video......

Will definitelly have that nice compression that Aldrich has in the video plus the gain structure with the Mid cut engaged will get you close

Finally, that last video is a very modern metal sound which is the Herbert specialty.

IMO go for the herbert.
 
My vote leans towards Herbert for you, although I don't think you'd be disappointed with the Hagen either. My thoughts on your clips:

Clip 1: Either could do it. To my ears, the Hagen might have a bit more sonic territory to explore for this tone. The Herbert's clean is pristine clean and there is some sparkle/grit to this tone. But I think the Herbert could cover it as well, perhaps with the gain dialed back on ch2. (or get a Herbert now and a Schmidt in the future. This tone begs for a Schmidt!)

Clip 2: Definitely Herbert. Compressed smooth lead. That's Herbert!

Clip 3: More Herbert. Although the Hagen can get here as well with the right speaker/mic combination.

Overall for your tonal desires: Herbert. The main reason? Clip 2. That is characteristic Herbert, and is the one tone that it will hit better than the other amps will. For Clip 3, Herbert will be the easiest to dial in out of the box, but you can get there with the Hagen/VH4 with some massaging on the cab/mic side.
 
Oh man don't mention the Schmidt - a while ago I got to spend some quality time with that amp and it was amazing - sort of spine tingling.

I can only have one amp... and it looks like the Herbert is the one. May be in the future if I earn enough ££$$ I'll get a Schmidt to go alongside the Herbert.
 
Just a thought would I be able to the tighter heavier tones from the Hagen if I boosted with TS or used a pedal such as the AmpTweaker Tight Metal?
 
dude, don't buy the amp already thinking about throwing a boost to get the tone you desire. But I'll tell you this...the Hage and the herbert are both similar in price........get one, try it, and then just put it up for trade for the other, you'll find people that'll trade you. That way you can try both.

I'd get the Hagen first then because it'll be easier to trade.

But I think the tones you're after are in the Herbert
 
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