t-rex22
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Hello Rig Talk Friends,
Over the last week I’ve had a deal fall through here in an interesting way, and I wanted to share the experience and get your thoughts.
You might recall a recent ad for a “Masterbuilt Mayones Regius for high-level endorsee” in the classifieds and the corresponding NGD for the same guitar that came a week or two later (a bit strange already, right?) from forum member Stealthtastic. I have a VERY strong personal interest in this guitar – happy to elaborate on that in a follow-up – so I PM’d and made an offer. He countered, and I made another offer which was accepted. We worked out payment and shipping, and he promised a shipping quote and final payment details for the following day. After not hearing back for 2 days, I followed up. No response. 2 days later I sent another follow-up and called him on being sketchy.
Finally I get a response to the effect of: “Listen, I dropped the guitar and the headstock broke clean off, so I’m going to fix and keep”. I immediately called BS on the lie and asked for pics – they were not provided. From there on out he was an unapologetic dick about things, and didn’t even bother defending his own lie later in the process of arguing for the sake of arguing.
Why I find this so sketchy:
This guy is a mod for the Guitar Porn site and Facebook page. He also apparently operates a “Stealth Marketing Supported Instrument Sales Business”.
So THAAAATS what Guitar Porn is for… a sales channel for this stealth-marketed sales business. No wonder those guys flip so many guitars and post for sale offers on their FB page constantly. Nice little scheme they have going on. Oh and uh…stealth marketed instrument sales – I believe this is exactly the kind of thing you need to disclose when participating on forums, do you not?!
Oh and look at this, the seller here and another Guitar Porn mod – buddies stepping in to vouch for each other on my deal and others – both in talks to become Mayones “dealers” back in Feb to get themselves and their friends discounts. Getting warnings from the mod for inappropriate posts:
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/archive/index.php/t-1218241.html
So…operating an instrument sales business under the radar here on forums?? Rule number 1: No Unauthorized Commercial Postings. This is King Guitar turf. Ps. nice unsuspecting username.
NGD’s on multiple sites after the classifieds postings? Being all shady about “I can’t post these pics or disclose the endorsee publically” after you had already done so on different forums and posted pics of the guitar a few days before as being owned by Dustie? Clearly just building the hype to move the guitar.
Why I’m so frustrated:
I do really want to buy this guitar. Having the guy bail last second, ignore repeated follow-up, and then lie about it and continue to argue is frustrating and insulting. Also, I sold 2 pedals and a piece of rack gear in a rush last week, and at a loss, so I could scrap together a bit more cash for this 3k+ guitar. I made passing mention of the items in our early PMs (said I had for trade/sale items to put towards this purchase), so it was clear that I was fully invested in the deal. Yes this sucks for me, but if it’s reasonable to trust people to follow-up on their agreements then I blame the seller.
Personal assessment of the situation:
This young 20yr old kid is hot on the Guitar Porn/sales scheme they have going on, and is looking for opportunities wherever possible to make some cash. I think it’s fairly obvious that he engaged in a deal with me and got a last minute offer at a higher price, so he bailed on our deal. I can understand the appeal to ditch, but it’s bad form and there is no excuse for his failure to communicate, followed by lies and rudeness. Lastly, the whole stealth marketing thing and running a gear sales biz under the radar, IMO, crosses the line of the disclosure rules we all agree to when joining forums.
My open offer to the seller (as I PM’d
Ship me the guitar per the details of our agreement. Upon receipt, I will send you my original cash offer (it is 6% less than the agreed on amount – I think that’s fair to compensate for the headache, lies, non-disclosure, etc). Rig-talk as my witness – I will send the cash. You’ve got all my contact info. I live in LA, surely the biggest RT market in the world. You could probably have 15 Rig Talkers knocking at my door in an hour if you wanted to. If we can do this, I’ll make peace on my side.
To rig-talk friends, I’d appreciate your input!
Best,
Clayton
Over the last week I’ve had a deal fall through here in an interesting way, and I wanted to share the experience and get your thoughts.
You might recall a recent ad for a “Masterbuilt Mayones Regius for high-level endorsee” in the classifieds and the corresponding NGD for the same guitar that came a week or two later (a bit strange already, right?) from forum member Stealthtastic. I have a VERY strong personal interest in this guitar – happy to elaborate on that in a follow-up – so I PM’d and made an offer. He countered, and I made another offer which was accepted. We worked out payment and shipping, and he promised a shipping quote and final payment details for the following day. After not hearing back for 2 days, I followed up. No response. 2 days later I sent another follow-up and called him on being sketchy.
Finally I get a response to the effect of: “Listen, I dropped the guitar and the headstock broke clean off, so I’m going to fix and keep”. I immediately called BS on the lie and asked for pics – they were not provided. From there on out he was an unapologetic dick about things, and didn’t even bother defending his own lie later in the process of arguing for the sake of arguing.
Why I find this so sketchy:
This guy is a mod for the Guitar Porn site and Facebook page. He also apparently operates a “Stealth Marketing Supported Instrument Sales Business”.
So THAAAATS what Guitar Porn is for… a sales channel for this stealth-marketed sales business. No wonder those guys flip so many guitars and post for sale offers on their FB page constantly. Nice little scheme they have going on. Oh and uh…stealth marketed instrument sales – I believe this is exactly the kind of thing you need to disclose when participating on forums, do you not?!
Oh and look at this, the seller here and another Guitar Porn mod – buddies stepping in to vouch for each other on my deal and others – both in talks to become Mayones “dealers” back in Feb to get themselves and their friends discounts. Getting warnings from the mod for inappropriate posts:
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/archive/index.php/t-1218241.html
So…operating an instrument sales business under the radar here on forums?? Rule number 1: No Unauthorized Commercial Postings. This is King Guitar turf. Ps. nice unsuspecting username.
NGD’s on multiple sites after the classifieds postings? Being all shady about “I can’t post these pics or disclose the endorsee publically” after you had already done so on different forums and posted pics of the guitar a few days before as being owned by Dustie? Clearly just building the hype to move the guitar.
Why I’m so frustrated:
I do really want to buy this guitar. Having the guy bail last second, ignore repeated follow-up, and then lie about it and continue to argue is frustrating and insulting. Also, I sold 2 pedals and a piece of rack gear in a rush last week, and at a loss, so I could scrap together a bit more cash for this 3k+ guitar. I made passing mention of the items in our early PMs (said I had for trade/sale items to put towards this purchase), so it was clear that I was fully invested in the deal. Yes this sucks for me, but if it’s reasonable to trust people to follow-up on their agreements then I blame the seller.
Personal assessment of the situation:
This young 20yr old kid is hot on the Guitar Porn/sales scheme they have going on, and is looking for opportunities wherever possible to make some cash. I think it’s fairly obvious that he engaged in a deal with me and got a last minute offer at a higher price, so he bailed on our deal. I can understand the appeal to ditch, but it’s bad form and there is no excuse for his failure to communicate, followed by lies and rudeness. Lastly, the whole stealth marketing thing and running a gear sales biz under the radar, IMO, crosses the line of the disclosure rules we all agree to when joining forums.
My open offer to the seller (as I PM’d
Ship me the guitar per the details of our agreement. Upon receipt, I will send you my original cash offer (it is 6% less than the agreed on amount – I think that’s fair to compensate for the headache, lies, non-disclosure, etc). Rig-talk as my witness – I will send the cash. You’ve got all my contact info. I live in LA, surely the biggest RT market in the world. You could probably have 15 Rig Talkers knocking at my door in an hour if you wanted to. If we can do this, I’ll make peace on my side.
To rig-talk friends, I’d appreciate your input!
Best,
Clayton
