Delay with your MOD 50????

[richedie]

Anyone running in front of their MOD 50? I ran some brief tests the other day with delay in the loop and up front and the difference was noticable and much better and clearer in the loop. We even used a delay that is supposedly designed to be run in front of an amp but it just sounded weird on leads and even some clean.

My guitar tech friend is always looking for the easiest way to run effects and ran his delay up front for a while but just couldn't deny how much better it sounded in the loop so he ended up dealing with the extra cables, etc. I will probably be doing the same.

Thoughts????

 

[EWSEthan]

Delay will only sound good in front of the amp if the amp is not being overdriven. There is no special delay that I know of that was specifically designed to sound good in front of an overdriven amp, if there is, then it is BS. Running a delay in front of an overdriven amp will always IMO sound like ass. You will get some purists that will say that is the way Jimmy Page and EVH ran ther Echoplex, I say good for them, it still sounds like ass!

+1000000000000000000

Everyone repeat after me... "Delay in the loop!" "Delay in the loop!"

That is unless you like your tone sounding like ass....

 

[Superunknown]

TC 2290 or the Rockman Stereo Echo in the loop is the way to go.....IMHO

 

[Superunknown]

Not yet....but I hear it's great delay...do you have one?

 

[EWSEthan]

Not yet....but I hear it's great delay...do you have one?

Yes, very nice indeed! Works wonderful in the Egnater's effects loop. EWSEthan has one as well.

Agreed. Its easily the best delay Ive ever heard on the floor. Definitely high-end rack quality. I cant comment on a direct comparison with a 2290 since I dont have one, but Im curious. That said, I dont ever want to carry around a rack again and I love the Timefactor, so maybe Im not that curious...

Anyway, as far as Im concerned Timefactor is the delay pedal of choice for MOD 50. Actually, Frank and I were discussing this at length earlier today and he said hes anxious to give it a try as he's hoping to finally settle on a definitive delay pedal to recommend to people from the shop. I bet him and Jeff are going to like this alot.

 

[Superunknown]

Have you guys played the TC Nova Delay? I wonder how close it is soundwise to the 2290.....

I will have to try the Eventide soon......looks like a very cool/interesting pedal.....

I have to say though...thus far the 2290 can't be touched IMHO....simply my favorite delay ever for both gigging and studio work......

 

[EWSEthan]

TC Nova Delay - Short Version

I had one for two weeks and returned it. I might have had a bad one but it was doing intermittent crazy stuff like showing a fast countdown from 2290 to 1 on the delay time display when id turn it on, sometimes ignoring my tap tempo inputs, and producing some strange digital distortion artifacts every now and again. When working it sounded pretty good. Definitely a hi-fi sound, but not Timefactor quality IMO. It was pretty transparent for me when bypassed as far as I could tell. The switches felt a little cheap. Mainly, I just didnt feel like I could trust it on a gig.

Timefactor is better to my ears and piece of mind in every regard.

 

[Superunknown]

You know I have heard literally everything under the sun about these two delay pedals.....one person will say the Eventide is great while another will say it makes too much noise......same for the TC pedal....go figure!!! I hope it's not a QC issue......

 

[richedie]

The Timefactor is far too expensive for my blood for a delay pedal. I am going with a used Boss DD20. If the Nova was a bit cheaper I would have bought one of those. I hear it is incredible.

For effects I keep price in mind because I rarely use effects. Most songs they never come on. Plus I know plenty of studio guys with great rigs who love the DD-20.

 

[EWSEthan]

The Timefactor is far too expensive for my blood for a delay pedal. I am going with a used Boss DD20. If the Nova was a bit cheaper I would have bought one of those. I hear it is incredible.

For effects I keep price in mind because I rarely use effects. Most songs they never come on. Plus I know plenty of studio guys with great rigs who love the DD-20.

I think EWSEthan has a DD-20 he is selling.

Sure do and its practically mint!

 

[spakuloid]

Just FYI on the Nova - it is NOT line level and therefore will sound poorly when put through the Egnater effect loops. Also - there is a bit of tweaking you need to do to figure out all the functions and dual buttons - particularly when changing patches with your feet and setting global tempo's - using the tap functions etc... That said - once you get it - the Nova is very clean and an incredible sounding delay. By far the best I have heard for the buck. Maybe you got a bad one - but mine is very clean and I run it out in front at the end of my pedal chain.

 

[richedie]

Why no analog delays mentioned???????? I checked and apparently the older Maxon/Ibanez AD-9 has a maximum input of +5 from specs. However, emailing Maxon, they say only the new AD-9 Pro is made for the loop.

 

[richedie]

Personally, I like very warm, natural sounding effects. This usually takes me to analog effects. I found one analog delay, the Maxon AD-9 Pro and maybe the AD-9 that work in the loop for sure - you can check the specs.

I am interested in the Jauques Prisoner delay but not sure if it is line level. The other is the DSL Tap Echo which looks really nice but not sure it is line level.

 

[richedie]

I am interested in the Jauques Prisoner delay but not sure if it is line level. The other is the DSL Tap Echo which looks really nice but not sure it is line level.

Those are not line level. You may be able to adjust the DSL enough though becasue it does have a trim pot inside. I sold that one before I bought my MOD50.

Good point on the DSL. However, the Maxon AD-9 Pro is line level and it is specified on their site. I even checked the specs on the plain AD-9 and that states up to +5.

What about guys are successfully running delay up front? This is my biggest problem in buying a delay. I want to try it up front and if it does not work, in the loop it goes. However, I am limited on my choices of course. Essentially I am down to the DD-20 or the Maxon AD-9.

 

[jmgman69]

Just couldn't handle it so I fired on a timefactor,with all the killer reviews with the MOD I just did it

 

[EWSEthan]

Just couldn't handle it so I fired on a timefactor,with all the killer reviews with the MOD I just did it

You absolutely made the right choice. Jason, you're going to LOVE that thing.

 

[jmgman69]

Just couldn't handle it so I fired on a timefactor,with all the killer reviews with the MOD I just did it

You absolutely made the right choice. Jason, you're going to LOVE that thing.

 

[richedie]

Guys, why not use a line converter. This way you can use ANY delay you want and save money.

 

[EWSEthan]

Guys, why not use a line converter. This way you can use ANY delay you want and save money.

I am using the delay I want. The Timefactor is the best. It sounds incredible. IMO, I like the way the loop is because its basically idiot proof. Bruce doesnt allow you to put crappy pedals in the loop which are terrible and will destroy your precious tone. Itd be like buying a Ferarri and putting regular gasoline in it and expecting great performance. Just doesnt make alot of sense.

 

[richedie]

Guys, why not use a line converter. This way you can use ANY delay you want and save money.

I am using the delay I want. The Timefactor is the best. It sounds incredible. IMO, I like the way the loop is because its basically idiot proof. Bruce doesnt allow you to put crappy pedals in the loop which are terrible and will destroy your precious tone. Itd be like buying a Ferarri and putting regular gasoline in it and expecting great performance. Just doesnt make alot of sense.

So I guess it is best using line level. I LOVE the Jaques chorus I have up front. Best I ever used by far. I just need that Budda wah now.

On the delay. I am considering the Boss DD-20, Maxon AD-9 Pro and TC Nova Delay. I like simple and analog so I am thinking the Maxon is the way to go. Everyone I have talked to who has used this pedal said it is such a great sounding analog delay and quiet as well! It also is line level so it will work in the Egnater loop.

Matt, I also prefer analog delay even though I have been investiating digital as well. The Jaques Prisoner delay is apparently as good as anything out there but would require the line converter.