Diezel Amp

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Disclaimer - I'm not knocking the amp... I'm being honest and I'm looking for information.

Now that that's out of the way....

What is the VH4s strength? I've kind of ignored these amps, in part due to the cost and in part due to my impression that they're generally used as part of a dual/multi amp rig and not really the main sound. I'm trying to put 2 and 2 together, but $4000+ for an amp that people appear to only use a single channel and blend with another amp seems a little far out to me.

Again, not trying to knock the amp, just gain some insight.
 
Its one of the best amps around, its really expensive as hell. And its not only worth channel 3. The other channels are nearly as good... and all completely usable of course.
 
I'm up first :D (EDIT: er, second it would seem - took me a while to write this sucker)

First of all, not 100% sure where you've heard that this is an amp that is typically blended... If you're concerned about the cut in a mix, believe me, the VH4 will do this with ease.

Now, let's discuss this amp... VH4S - specified, the Stereo model. I've owned both, and I currently own a bought-new 2009 VH4S loaded with fairly hot =C= 6550's and Chinese/Shuguang 12AX7's. Let's start with its pluses - and these are my opines and therefore, YMMV, but people worldwide who have this amp, mono or stereo, and think of this amp as a religion unto itself, can't be wrong.

First of all, I went with the Stereo version because I love the 2 x 50W power sections in stereo. I like the way they sound, I like the way they push, and I really REALLY love the true stereo panning capabilities of this amp. Secondly, there is not, nor of there be, a better FX loop in the world of amplifiers - period. It's an engineering feat to have created such an incredible loop - both the serial and the parallel. Hands down, fantastic. Then there's the MIDI controlled aspect of the amp - brilliant design, and exquisite simplicity. Then there are the channel inserts - very, very smart engineering on behalf of the designer. Think of these "inserts" as independent and discrete loops for each channel. I'm not joking, the engineering is wicked.

Now, the ever discussed and norotiously famed "Channel 3". Let's NOT talk about that channel...yet. First off, let's discuss 1, 2 and 4.

Channel 1: Brilliant percussive cleans, and it can dirty up ever-so-slightly with a good gain adjustment and even a clean boost in front. The amp is very receptive to the preamp glass used in the different stage sockets. You can get amazing punchy cleans with a nice tube in V1, as well, the powertubes, although not yet mentioned, can be toggled between 6L6 and EL34 circuits with a flick of a switch - NICE FEATURE!!! So Channel one can do whatever the hell you want. It's superb.

Channel 2: Everything from bluesy warms to crunchy aggro... It'll do fat hollowbody electrics justice and it will also do the opening riff to Tool's Aenima exactly (funny that, as that's exactly what that tune is comprised of - channel 2 on the V!!). This channel lives under the shadow of Channel 3, but that's just because Channel 3 has an ego - and for good reason - but we won't go there yet. So Channel 2, believe it or not, and there are other members who'll agree - is the magic sleeper on this amp. it does a LOT and does it REALLY well. As is, gain adjusted, or with a BB or Tim or Koko or Mk.4:23 or OCD - this channel can cover a LOT of territory, and will do so with that inexplicable "Diezel" tone...

Channel 4: Sick. Just off the hook - nu-metal, uber-metal, thrash, and everything else that mandates a sick amount of venomous bite while surprisingly maintaining ALL of the guitar's focus and signal dynamics. You show me another amp that has this much gain on tap, this much brutality, and still remain focused, heavy with low end, amazing punch, and gobs of the Diezel signature tone. Remember, all these channels have their own independent inserts. So, Channel 4 will melt faces - I use it for solos, I use it for sick cutting brootz, and I use it because I love the integrity it has even though it's off the hook with gain.

Those are the 3 red headed step children channels to the egotistical Channel 3. They are all bloody fantastic. Channel 1 can be a bit dark, some will say, but this can be modified with the right choice of glass in the pre's and even the powersection. That's the only thing out there I can think of saying.

Stereo - we've mentioned the other bits, now let's talk about pure stereo. In short, it kicks ass. Whether a stereo cab double mic'd, or a 2 cab rig - instant wall of sound, and one that'll leave yer knees wobbly and maybe even a bit moist in the undies. It kicks ass!!

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......

Channel 3: There's a reason everyone talks about this channel. It's the channel that delivered the Diezel signature tone to the world years ago, and continues to do so to this day. It's the ultimate channel of the amp, because it's the ultimate Diezel tone - nothing more, nothing less. It is pretty f*ckin' awesome, and rather than dwell on it, I'd say - for lack of all reason and sanity - this channel alone would be worth the price of the amp to many people out there. But don't construe this as some one-hit wonder amp... It's just that this channel is the shit. Period.

What else can I tell you??

Hope this helps.
V.
 
PS - it might "appear" as though several cats who own this amp couple it with another, but this is less a function of necessity than it is the typical buying demographic of this amp. It's not cheap. Fact is, it's pretty expensive all things considered. I own one, and I also own another high-brow, top-drawer rig in addition to some boutique combos, and in fact, am putting together one MORE high-brow rig as well. I may use these other 2 rigs in tandem with the VH4S, I may not. But it's not that the "V" needs it, it's just that its typical purchaser is one who doesn't mind blowing cake on gear, and therefore, blows cake on other gear too.

It'd be JUST fine on its own - if not owning the stage flat out :D

FWIW,
V. :thumbsup:

PS: it has also been stated that this amp is an AMAZING amp for any decent, well rounded studio. Why?? Because it's SO versatile. So that's a lot more than just "Channel 3" talk...I'm getting wise now!! ;)
 
ventura pretty much nailed it.

my fav. VH4 channel is indeed channel 2. It gets overshadowed by channel 3 not because ch.3 is better, but because of what people look for in a Diezel (hard rock/metal tones), and we all know metal heads don't use low gain settings hardly ever.

For a blues pop guitarist like myself, channel 2 is THE BEST channel the vh4 has.
 
The VH4 is indeed a great amp. I prefer the mono version. I could live with this amp easily. I like channels 1-3. I doubt I would ever use channel 4 for the music I play. YMMV. BTW, as a tech, I can say this amp is built like a tank!
 
How do the loops work with the stereo power section? Can you set it up wet/dry?
I was fortunate enough to play mightywarlock's vh4 and was just blown away. Never even saw one in person before.
I always wondered why every photo and clip was on ch3. Now I know.
Gassing so hard.
 
H Golf Sport":o7f9boim said:
How do the loops work with the stereo power section? Can you set it up wet/dry?
I was fortunate enough to play mightywarlock's vh4 and was just blown away. Never even saw one in person before.
I always wondered why every photo and clip was on ch3. Now I know.
Gassing so hard.

Wet & Dry totally doable with the "S", no problemo... Better yet, you've got bleed levels at the front end, man - just bring it!!!

Secondly, some love the mono, I LOVE the stereo, don't let 50W a side scare ya off... With 6550's loaded into this beast, it's more up to the 60W to 65W a side. MORE enough grunt to punish the 1st 4 rows :D

V. :rawk:
 
Pairing the VH4 with another amp is not a necessity. It's a function of how well it compliments other amps. Diezel + Marshall = holyshitballsthisrocksmahballz! There are so many artists out there that use these things, it's crazy. It's a high-powered, overly-engineered rock machine. You don't HAVE to pair it with another amp. But it plays well with others!

If you don't like that Diezel tone, no problem. There are plenty of other brands out there for you to choose from.
 
the only reason I wouldn't buy a VH4, no matter what price, is because it has way more features than I would ever use
I loved the Einstein, specially the mode 3 on ch 1 (which is supposedly to the ch 3 of the VH4), and that's still too much for me
I wish Peter and Reinhold did something 1 channel, thast is not EL84 and quite simple features, like the Fryette Deliverance and Soldano Avenger
maybe with a footswitchable crunch mode for less gain
and a "plus" version for loop users (well, I never use loops)
 
ericsabbath":2p1wquhz said:
I loved the Einstein, specially the mode 3 on ch 1 (which is supposedly to the ch 3 of the VH4), and that's still too much for me


Is mode 3 of channel 1 on the Einstein really similiar to channel 3 of the VH4? If so, i guess I'm just not a Diezel guy!
 
There is a difference between the two for sure - one thing Peter manages to do in all of his amps is not have much crossover from one to the other... You can't get the Herbert to be a perfect VH4 to ber a perfect Einstein to be a perfect Schmidt to be a perfect...........

Nevertheless, I love Diezels. Their tone to me is just bangin'.

Peace Y'all,
V. :D
 
Nothing on any amp is similar to Channel 3 of the VH4.

To answer your other question, I used to always layer the VH4, but it is great on its own as a stand alone amp and there is no reason to feel you need to combine it with something else. All 4 channels with an independent EQ is tough to find and tough to beat. Diezel quality and tone is second to none and you won't find it on another amp or an Axe FX.

Steve
 
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