diezel VH4!

[glpg80]

jesus christ what an amplifier. the cleans are different - im more of a vox clean kind of person - but its still really really great and somewhat spanky.

reminded me of the herbert a little - but with more body.

channel 2 could pull classic rock tunes all day long - it seems to clean up well. very great middle channel and well balanced. i could see myself using this channel for a few covers of the lighter rock songs at bars.

channel 3 - my favorite channel. damn it sounds great. lead tones are sound clear and prestine and that channel is heavy... really heavy... and so well defined at the same time. im in love.

channel 4 - not as much of a favorite as channel 3 but the lead tone still is clear with more a more of a saturation thing going on.

i have not heard an amplifier like this. ever. 5150 is a joke compared to this thing. if a SLO and an engl had a kid, the VH4 would be the offspring - damn what an experience.

 

[duesentrieb]

 

[nbarts]

This is awfully weird from a guy who disliked the Herbert so much, because the 2 amps ,though different, are equally good. But in all honesty, if you like the SLO & you don't mind compression, you should try an Einstein. Actually my band members were very disappointed to find out that I no longer have the Einstein & after it was gone they let me know that it was their favorite guitar sound. No one said a word about it when I had the amp. It cuts better than the current JCM800 I jam with, since I don't wanna drag around any of my Diezels. Go figure.

I think I might know what the problem is. The v30s. I have no clue why Diezel would choose these speakers for their amps, because they are awful with Diezels IMO.

 

[VoodooChild24]

jesus christ what an amplifier. the cleans are different - im more of a vox clean kind of person - but its still really really great and somewhat spanky.

reminded me of the herbert a little - but with more body.

channel 2 could pull classic rock tunes all day long - it seems to clean up well. very great middle channel and well balanced. i could see myself using this channel for a few covers of the lighter rock songs at bars.

channel 3 - my favorite channel. damn it sounds great. lead tones are sound clear and prestine and that channel is heavy... really heavy... and so well defined at the same time. im in love.

channel 4 - not as much of a favorite as channel 3 but the lead tone still is clear with more a more of a saturation thing going on.

i have not heard an amplifier like this. ever. 5150 is a joke compared to this thing. if a SLO and an engl had a kid, the VH4 would be the offspring - damn what an experience.

Spot on review man. When I first played the VH4 at a local GC, I know it's it. Definitely raised the bar
for modern sounding amps.

 

[Digital Jams]

I like the VH4 very much, ch3 is the nuts.

 

[glpg80]

This is awfully weird from a guy who disliked the Herbert so much, because the 2 amps ,though different, are equally good. But in all honesty, if you like the SLO & you don't mind compression, you should try an Einstein. Actually my band members were very disappointed to find out that I no longer have the Einstein & after it was gone they let me know that it was their favorite guitar sound. No one said a word about it when I had the amp. It cuts better than the current JCM800 I jam with, since I don't wanna drag around any of my Diezels. Go figure.

I think I might know what the problem is. The v30s. I have no clue why Diezel would choose these speakers for their amps, because they are awful with Diezels IMO.

i did not say i didnt like the herbert. i actually said the cleans were awsome and the solo tone was awsome, and the crunch channel was great too.

check out the topic again if you dont believe me

what the herbert's problem was - was how it cuts through a mix, and how it gets spanked when sitting beside a JCM800 combo being boosted with an OD pedal. cymbals and the marshall walk all over it's voicing and characteristics, unless its set to play cleans, or doing a solo. the VH4 had the same solo cutting character but the rhythm was WAY different than the herbert i heard. VH4 just sounded.... well... better. ymmv though.

i highly doubt i will ever get the chance to check out an einstein but i could definately see myself with a VH4. its a very versatile amplifier - and a great amplifier at that.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

I have to agree, I have an Einstein and have been gassing for one of its big brothers. I figured by Its feature set Id want the Herbert. someone posted some video that were reviews of both amps (not in english) and I realized the VH4 is the one for me, no contest!

Now Ive got to save the loot for a while and scoop one up!

i highly doubt i will ever get the chance to check out an einstein

if you are ever in Jersey hit me up!

 

[glpg80]

I like the VH4 very much, ch3 is the nuts.

nuts was an understatement i loved that channel.

the only problem i see is that the solo tone seems to record somewhat with a "tinny" character, but in real life its not like that. mics and speakers play a big part of it but when i went back and listened to a few youtube clips thats what i could tell.

its still a great amplifier. clarity and structured gain without all the pop-fizzy saturation going on - unless you are on channel 4 which is purposely voiced like that it seems.

damn now i have diezel gas... it had to be one of their most expensive models

 

[nbarts]

what the herbert's problem was - was how it cuts through a mix, and how it gets spanked when sitting beside a JCM800 combo being boosted with an OD pedal. cymbals and the marshall walk all over it's voicing and characteristics, unless its set to play cleans, or doing a solo. the VH4 had the same solo cutting character but the rhythm was WAY different than the herbert i heard. VH4 just sounded.... well... better. ymmv though.

Your & my experience do vary I like my Herbert tone in the band way better than the JCM800 tone. The 800 sounds like a hollow box with crunchy high mids.

I guess there are 2 things fundamentally different between you & me:

1. I generally use a little gain, especially when I play in a band. For this reason I default on CH2- on the Herbert, even for metal & barely if ever use the 3rd channel.
2. I prefer the guitars loud & upfront in the mix, unlike the general tendency among musicians of having them kinda behind the drums.

 

[glpg80]

what the herbert's problem was - was how it cuts through a mix, and how it gets spanked when sitting beside a JCM800 combo being boosted with an OD pedal. cymbals and the marshall walk all over it's voicing and characteristics, unless its set to play cleans, or doing a solo. the VH4 had the same solo cutting character but the rhythm was WAY different than the herbert i heard. VH4 just sounded.... well... better. ymmv though.

Your & my experience do vary I like my Herbert tone in the band way better than the JCM800 tone. The 800 sounds like a hollow box with crunchy high mids.

I guess there are 2 things fundamentally different between you & me:

1. I generally use a little gain, especially when I play in a band. For this reason I default on CH2- on the Herbert, even for metal & barely if ever use the 3rd channel.
2. I prefer the guitars loud & upfront in the mix, unlike the general tendency among musicians of having them kinda behind the drums.

i dont enjoy alot of gain - i set the gain according to what sounds great with the amplifier. it differs between volume as well. lower volumes i can get away with much less gain, louder volumes i need the gain there to help with playability - but again there is a sweet-spot i believe where anything above a certain point is all useless.

i actually dont mind having the guitar sitting up front - but the herberts upper channels couldnt do it. channel 2 cut through the bandmix like a hot knife in butter when i heard one. as far as where fundamental band layouts go im not really sure how you like yours laid out?

i normally like vocals up front, then the cymbals set equal to (or somewhat less in the mix with) the guitar tone, then splash/rides, followed by the drums themselves, and bass holding the bottom together set equal in dB to the guitar's lowest open tuned note volume. if electric piano is in play, i actually prefer to have the piano sit in the mix a little louder than guitar since they have a monotone character to them.

it fills out nicely this way i believe.

 

[van hellion]

weird to me that pople have issues with herbie cutting in the mix when we were on our most recent tour, the front of house guy for Drowning Pool said my rig was his favorite rig on the tour (including Sevendust, im assuming) He said he set my guitar tone flat, turned it up and it was the easiest thing to mix. Oh well, im sure we all use different eq's, guitars, cabs, etc. But in my experience My herbie rigs dont just cut through the mix, they own it. And as far as leads go, forget about it, best lead tone of the diezels hands down!

A Wood

 

[glassjaw7]

Alright Matt! When I saw this topic with your name on it I though for sure you were going to say you tried a VH4 and didn't like it. Glad to hear otherwise. Your descriptions of the channels were just as I would describe them.

I played a VH4 through a Mills 212 and a Bogner OS212 and it was one of the coolest experiences I've ever had. I still can't get the sound out of my head after a year and a half. Next year I'll be buying an amp (finally) and I'm going to have a very hard time choosing between VH4, Marsha, 101B, or whatever else gets my gas pains going before then...

 

[moltenmetalburn]

(including Sevendust, im assuming)

Andy the last few times I was on a sevendust stage they had diamond amps and sounded awful...he definitely meant better than sevendust also

 

[nbarts]

I think I'm having a Glenn Beck experience

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[prsdiezel]

Shit man........... Herbert rips threw fucking peoples heads. Cuts threw the mix ??? hell everyone is asking what the fuck I'm playing!!!!! Diezel whats that?

Some people can dial an amp in and some can't. I hear it all the time. Fingers and playing and style factors into that also.

The VH4 was an amazing amp 3rd channel was the "high lite" owned it for 9yrs. TOOL riffs and Metallica ,Korn etc = perfect Classic modern tones all day long!!!!!. Einstein included.

Over all Herbert put it to shame.

VH4 = too compressed, hard to dial out compression

 

[wheelman]

Iv'e been wanting to try Diezel for quite some time now. They all seem to sound good from the clips I have heard.

 

[James Lugo]

I had my first gig in years tonight and brought my VH4, it absolutely slayed live.