diezel Vs. Mesa

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I know iam opening a can of worms here but my roommate just bought a mesa roadster 212 combo and trys to tell me all the time that his amp is better than my herbert. I just keeptelling him that even though his amp is a good amp mine has better tone because iam not a big fan of the mesa fizzy distotion and that diezels or just the best amps out there. So if i could get some expert advice from you guys out there that would be great.

Darren
 
Mesa's are great amps too. I've got a couple of Mesas that I really love. I'll never get rid of my Mark III. That being said, I like my Herbert a lot more and it's my main rig now. In the end, it all comes down to personal preference. The roadster is a hell of an amp and if you get sometime with the Roadster, you might change your mind on it. One thing I hate about Mesa amps is they really take some time to get used to the controls. You can spend hours with the thing, tweaking the sound, absolutely hate it, walk away for a bit, come back and change one dial a fraction of a turn and it sounds wonderful all of a sudden. Don't know why that is, but talk to any long time Mesa owner and they probably tell you the same thing. But once you get to that point (and it's a shame it takes that much work), you start to fall in love with them. Maybe Mesa will never be your thing and that is totally cool in my book, but they got to where they are for a reason. Granted, I bought a Herbert because it sounded absolutely nothing like my Mesas and that was a good thing. I guess I'm more of a Diezel AND Mesa guy, rather than Diezel VS Mesa. But in the end, I'm with you, Diezels do sound better (at least IMO).
 
I agree with you van hellion thats blasphemy on this board :lol: :LOL:
 
My buddies are playing a Mark IV, Dual R. and a Roadster. Great tones! Espescially the Mesa growl. I love it. And of course i would like to own a D.R. or T.R., no doubt. Because it´s a kind of tone a Diezel never can get.

I compared them with my Herbert and you can´t say, which one is the "better" Amp.
Ok, now Herberts does not have this kind of growl, but a huge amount of lower mids. You could say, that the mesas are "thinner" sounding. But that is not negative!

I had to make the decision D.R., Roadster or Herbert. I chose Herbert, because it´s midi feature. If i had bought a mesa, i had to buy a midi switcher, patch cables etc. etc. No way!

Same thing with the new 5153. An amazing Amp, which is more "mesa" than Diezel. And look at the price! :doh:
But who cares. These are my "would like to have to" amps. :D
 
no doubt i have 5153 and mesa and they rock, but at the end of the day i turn to my herbie!

peace
A Wood
 
I'm enjoying this thread because I was just thinking about posting the question to Rig-Talk:
"Why do so few people on this site ever mention Mesa Boogie?"
I mean....soooo may high-end amp buyers here, yet you almost never see Boogie stuff mentioned amongst all of the Bogner, Cameron, ENGL, Diezel. Damn....I even see more mentions of Peavey & Line6 stuff than Boogie stuff!

That said.....it's good to see Boogie stuff getting some mentions.....but on a Diezel board.....I can guess how this is gonna turn out!

OK....back to the battle> DING.........
 
I had a Mesa Roaster 2x12. I love the channel switching and the power cutting and the options on it. BUT....at the end of the day, I had some reliability issues with mine. The first one I received was dead from the factory and they diagnosed it as a transformer that had gone bad (how did they ship it in the first place!). The second one had a some type of capacitor issue that was repaired. I changed out the tubes on it and it sounded very nice. I did get rid of it though as I found it a bit too weighty to take to small gigs (96 lbs) and I got tired of carrying it. It's a good amp and has a great warranty but I wanted a different sound and I found that with my Einstein, thank goodness!
 
UltraGary":9d9j40nn said:
I'm enjoying this thread because I was just thinking about posting the question to Rig-Talk:
"Why do so few people on this site ever mention Mesa Boogie?"
I mean....soooo may high-end amp buyers here, yet you almost never see Boogie stuff mentioned amongst all of the Bogner, Cameron, ENGL, Diezel. Damn....I even see more mentions of Peavey & Line6 stuff than Boogie stuff!

That said.....it's good to see Boogie stuff getting some mentions.....but on a Diezel board.....I can guess how this is gonna turn out!

OK....back to the battle> DING.........
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Dude, then you really don't get around here much. There is so much talk about Mk IVs etc. that even though I love that amp, it sort of gets annoying.
 
Both are great. :thumbsup:

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Well...MkIVs..."Yea"....but as a guy looking/reading up on RoadKings & Roadsters....I've seen more posts about Peavey JSXs than those amps.





ToneFreeq89":3sas6i1z said:
UltraGary":3sas6i1z said:
I'm enjoying this thread because I was just thinking about posting the question to Rig-Talk:
"Why do so few people on this site ever mention Mesa Boogie?"
I mean....soooo may high-end amp buyers here, yet you almost never see Boogie stuff mentioned amongst all of the Bogner, Cameron, ENGL, Diezel. Damn....I even see more mentions of Peavey & Line6 stuff than Boogie stuff!

That said.....it's good to see Boogie stuff getting some mentions.....but on a Diezel board.....I can guess how this is gonna turn out!

OK....back to the battle> DING.........
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Dude, then you really don't get around here much. There is so much talk about Mk IVs etc. that even though I love that amp, it sort of gets annoying.
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I'm not a Mesa fan at all. I've tried realy hard to like them, I even owned a Mk VI, the mids are too hard to dial in, I tried to like the the Recto but found it too sterile and fizzy. Each to their own I suppose.
 
PBGas":llz756da said:
I had a Mesa Roaster 2x12. I love the channel switching and the power cutting and the options on it. BUT....at the end of the day, I had some reliability issues with mine. The first one I received was dead from the factory and they diagnosed it as a transformer that had gone bad (how did they ship it in the first place!). The second one had a some type of capacitor issue that was repaired. I changed out the tubes on it and it sounded very nice. I did get rid of it though as I found it a bit too weighty to take to small gigs (96 lbs) and I got tired of carrying it. It's a good amp and has a great warranty but I wanted a different sound and I found that with my Einstein, thank goodness!
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My Buddy had the same issue with his Roadster. The german distributer changed "some parts". First they gave him complete new tubes for free. But it did not solve the problem. Then they changed the complete chassis for free. Only the case remains. :D But great support! :thumbsup:
And this is why i did not go with the roadster. In that time, they where some of the first built amps.


supersonic":llz756da said:
I'm not a Mesa fan at all. I've tried realy hard to like them, I even owned a Mk VI, the mids are too hard to dial in, I tried to like the the Recto but found it too sterile and fizzy. Each to their own I suppose.
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It´s not fizzy...it´s growl.
 
I used to have a F-30 and a DualRec T-verb 2x12 combo. Both nice, awesome cleans on the F-30 and that typical Recti sound on the T-verb, but one thin I really hated about them: The volume you have to play at to get the sound you want out of a Mesa.
Also the tweaking and the enormous amount of feedback. Diezel all the way for me.
 
I played a lot through a dual rectifier that belongs to a friend last week end. I like the sound, no doubt about that but I always felt the need of turning knobs on that thing. Played a little, the highs were too harsh, turn them down, don't cut anymore...If a fly lands on a knob, your tone will be gone ;)
Back to my place and give the Einstein a try. This thing sounds GREAT and I just want to play it all day long. It's difficult to dial in a sound I dislike, the controls are very effective, though. Going from a recti to an einstein two things came to my mind:

First, the Einstein is easier to play in my oppinion. It just feels just right behind you and compresses nicely when you hit the strings. The Mesa felt a little stiff in comparison.

Second, the Einstein distortion has nothing to do with the rectifier sound but it oozes character.
You feel familiar with the tones you get out of it, but it never looses its "fingerprint".

You are getting my point. I think it's clear which way I'm going here :D
Man, I love the Einstein!!!
 
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