Digital vs Analog video

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Thought he had some interesting points in this video.
I think his main points being:
  • digital presets should be a starting point at best.
  • you can definitely get great sounds with digital
  • lack of experimenting makes everything sound the same
 
everything he is saying to me sounds like a people problem, not a gear problem. you have access to in theory endless amps, speakers, mics you can move around, boosts and whatever else that is he said is 97% there using modern modeling.. that to me sounds like a heaven for experimenting, not a problem. if a dude goes in and is content with a preset and dosent choose to try anything different, keeps everything the same song after song, and the band or engineer give no pushback and go along with it, than thats on them, not the gear. it seems like we've been complaining about stale recordings for 20 years now, yet nothing ever seems to change, at least not in the metal world, and i really dont understand it. i never allowed myself to learn to edit drums or use samples, and i record all my guitars one take so what you are hearing is basically a live song, i dont remember the last time i heard a band say "yeah we told the engineer overheads, kick and snare mics only on the drums and we record all the guitars one shot to keep a lively feel..", if i can do it, so can big bands, but they seem to choose not to :dunno:
 
stratjacket said:
Thought he had some interesting points in this video.
I think his main points being:
  • digital presets should be a starting point at best.
  • you can definitely get great sounds with digital
  • lack of experimenting makes everything sound the same
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Today in "water is wet", Kohle states the fucking obvious lol
 
It's definitely something people benefit from hearing though.

Presets are awful either way. I wish they just didn't exist as a concept. Every piece of gear I've ever bought with presets, I delete every preset first thing before I even plug into it. The concept of selling presets is even more obscene. Learn your shit. An amp (including amp models) is just as much of an instrument as the guitar in your hands. Learn your shit.

Learn your shit.
 
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RaceU4her said:
everything he is saying to me sounds like a people problem, not a gear problem. you have access to in theory endless amps, speakers, mics you can move around, boosts and whatever else that is he said is 97% there using modern modeling.. that to me sounds like a heaven for experimenting, not a problem. if a dude goes in and is content with a preset and dosent choose to try anything different, keeps everything the same song after song, and the band or engineer give no pushback and go along with it, than thats on them, not the gear. it seems like we've been complaining about stale recordings for 20 years now, yet nothing ever seems to change, at least not in the metal world, and i really dont understand it. i never allowed myself to learn to edit drums or use samples, and i record all my guitars one take so what you are hearing is basically a live song, i dont remember the last time i heard a band say "yeah we told the engineer overheads, kick and snare mics only on the drums and we record all the guitars one shot to keep a lively feel..", if i can do it, so can big bands, but they seem to choose not to :dunno:
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I mean, yeah. That's what he says the problem is lol

live tracking can definitely help (i do it with my punk band for all of our records) but I don't think it's JUST that - it's everyone listening to the same boring ass bands with the same boring ass tones, and therefore trying to replicate them for their own music

"Modern metal tone" has been frozen in time since like 2002 when Clayman came out, but the core of the issue is that everyone listens to boring dogshit metal music
 
TheGreatGreen said:
It's definitely something people benefit from hearing though.

Presets are awful either way. I wish they just didn't exist as a concept. Every piece of gear I've ever bought with presets, I delete every preset first thing before I even plug into it. The concept of selling presets is even more obscene. Learn your shit. An amp (including amp models) is just as much of an instrument as the guitar in your hands. Learn your shit.

Learn your shit.
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I think it's kind of like starting out recording. I would load of a plugin effect (compressor, reverb, whatever) model of some old piece of gear and then I'd run through the presets until I found something that sounded pretty good and then go with that. I have never used the real deal and always heard how a Neve, SSL or API piece of gear adds X to the sound.
Over time I learn and tweak and eventually save my own presets as starting points. I can see where someone who has never had a 100w tube amp could do the same through a modeler or amp sim.
 
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