Do you guys jam with drums?

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Not a drummer but some sort of electronic drum or programmed drums? Like SD 2.0 or something?

I'm wondering if there's a pedal out there that you could load MP3's into and have the drums come out of your amp?
Perhaps this is a dumb idea since a guitar cab is not a FRFR setup. Just get sick of jamming the same old riffs with no drums.

I'm sitting here in front of the PC, programming drums, which I can't stand (I need a new program, sick of SD. Have 6 packs and I can never get a good metal drum sound. Blast beats and just the regular bass snare, bass snare beat. All sorts of other shit that is useless. ) So I got my tube amps sitting there and I'm listening to Bias through the monitors and my ears are starting to go south. Not much a fan of playing through monitors.

Wondering what you guys do. I suppose I could throw the MP3's on my phone and play them through the PA system I have. I thought I saw a pedal a while ago that you could load MP3's into. But like I said, wouldn't it sound like crap?
 
I guess the technology is a little new eh? Like 500 years too new :scared:

Here it is full gusto, doing the brootz. LOL :lol: :LOL:

I guess I can forget the "does it Djent?"

 
Do it all the time...I need a beat to come up with riffs...they have to fit into something. If the riff is too fast and I think it'd be heavier slower, I'll slow down the tempo and see what happens.

I'll line the Axe into my laptop and load up Reaper and throw a drum track in; Axe acts as a soundcard and does both guitar and drums. If I want some volume I'll line it out to a poweramp and cab combo...both run thru the cab at the same time. Works really well.

Think you could probably do the same thing with almost any audio interface....run it into your computer and then back out and line it out to your FX loop. Don't quote me on it though...that's just what I do.

Send you a few of my jam tracks if you want em.
 
Dr.rythym 550. Old school,bitches!!!

I have been using them so long that I am way freaking quick with them. Demo'd 3 CDs with them. Learned to write killer drum fills by breaking down my favorite drummers works. Btw, Chris Adler has some great fills.

Hint...lay down a solid double bass drum roll of 32 notes. Then come back and randomly take out 5 to 12 of them. Now syncopate your picking pattern around the double bass. Doesn't have to be a single note chug thing, it can be any melody. If it feels too comfortable, try again.

I used to use D&D dice to randomly assign rests, triplets, or notes(using 2 six sided dice for the 12 notes in a scale). This will really make you play outside your comfort zone.

PS....I started doing this crap in the mid 80's writing thrash on the first generation drum machines. Even wrote stupid algebraic equations on a vat board, and used basic code breaking models to generate random patterns 128-256 beats long, then cutting out the portion that worked best. We even recorded patterns on the 4 track, layered guitar riffs on top, then flipped the tape over and listened to them backwards. It was real math metal before it had a name.

By the way, slayer and Metallica cassettes were awesome when played backward on a 4track.
 
I have one of the Harbinger H120 pa systems in the jam room at home and I just find youtube vids of drums or other backing tracks to play along too.
 
That trio does seem pretty cool but if you already have a PA just route the playback from your PC to the PA?
 
rottingcorpse":36ug8hbj said:
Dr.rythym 550. Old school,bitches!!!

I have been using them so long that I am way freaking quick with them. Demo'd 3 CDs with them. Learned to write killer drum fills by breaking down my favorite drummers works. Btw, Chris Adler has some great fills.

Hint...lay down a solid double bass drum roll of 32 notes. Then come back and randomly take out 5 to 12 of them. Now syncopate your picking pattern around the double bass. Doesn't have to be a single note chug thing, it can be any melody. If it feels too comfortable, try again.

I used to use D&D dice to randomly assign rests, triplets, or notes(using 2 six sided dice for the 12 notes in a scale). This will really make you play outside your comfort zone.

PS....I started doing this crap in the mid 80's writing thrash on the first generation drum machines. Even wrote stupid algebraic equations on a vat board, and used basic code breaking models to generate random patterns 128-256 beats long, then cutting out the portion that worked best. We even recorded patterns on the 4 track, layered guitar riffs on top, then flipped the tape over and listened to them backwards. It was real math metal before it had a name.

By the way, slayer and Metallica cassettes were awesome when played backward on a 4track.
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So you find the 550 is good even for modern drum sounds? Blast beats and shit like that? Does it Djent?
 
I never like programming drum machines. I have Addictive Drums and Superior Drummer 2.0. Superior is flat out simple,drag and drop drums and you can use it stand alone (no DAW). I would go with that. Also check out Riffworks. Its a drag and drop song creator with drums.
 
dfrattaroli":pv285h15 said:
EZ Drummer 2 and Superior Drummer.
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Yeah I have those already. I have superior drummer. I'm wondering if I should have got Ez drummer instead? I find the process of programming on SD to be very cumbersome. I always seem to have to "make" what I need. I have the Metal machine and I think it sucks. All the grooves seem like fills. I just need some simple shit that does blast beats, and then some simple bass snare beat (don't know what that's called). And them some fills.

SD has so much shit in it that I don't even use, which is why I'm wondering if EZ drummer would have been better for me. It's just tough sitting there deleting single notes and moving them around. Takes 8 hours to make 1 fucking song. Makes playing guitar look easy.

I don't even know if I use it right. I use the grooves, then drag them into a track in Garage Band and then edit individual notes to align with my guitar riffs.

I'd have no idea how to use SD without a DAW? I'm on a mac and there's nothing to really click to use it outside of Garage band. Of course I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm probably doing it the longest, hardest way possible.
 


EZdrummer 2 has the Song Creator function that is really pretty cool
 
billsbigego":1axiidof said:
So you find the 550 is good even for modern drum sounds? Blast beats and shit like that? Does it Djent?
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Yup. Just have to customize the drum tones to your liking. Then customize the drum mix. If you can think up the pattern, and know how to program it, it can be done. Time changes are a bitch, but I would just add another two tracks and program another "song" in a different time signature. Eventually I got a syncassette238 with 8 tracks onto cassette,and was totally balling by then.

Listen, programming drums that sound like a real drummer takes time. You can't use the same fill all the time. You have to customize the pads, and cut/duck certain things at certain times (crashes,snare,bass drum during vocals/leads/etc). Hell, just programming a click track for recording real drums (to keep time) is a chore when you are writing more complicated stuff with extra beats or odd time signatures.

As for blast beats, I always found the constant cymbal crash (usually matched to the snare or bass drum) to be overwhelming in the mix, and over-rides everything else. I know that the cacophony is part of the charm, but I find it kinda meh. A find a closed or "slurred" high hat to be better for me, and keeps the tight bass drum and "piccolo" type snare more cutting for blast beats.

The decay of the drum is important in metal. Having a tight thud on the bass drum during quick thrashy stuff rules, but sounds too dead during slower passages. A snare with some room on it becomes mud when the blast beat comes in. Cymbals with too much decay carry too far into the next measure and if it's too tight in a slower passage it's too obvious.

But, the machine always does what you tell it to do. It never makes noise until you ask it to. It's never late, never drinks your beer or brings its annoying girlfriend, or throws up on your rig. It's as dumb as a real drummer, but at least it takes direction well. And the best thing is that it NEVER causes any drama....

And it has an OFF switch.

Now, if they would just make a front man machine with good artificial intelligence. We already have auto tune...
 
Cool man. I can already program drums, I mean through the computer. But sometimes I just want to sit indian style in front of the tube amp and play guitar to a beat. It would be cool if someone came up with a simple Ipad app that you can make some decent METAL drum loops. Most of the stuff out there, as far as apps is just geared towards people that play rock.
 
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