EAS IR’s: they black album SO HARD!!!!

[VESmedic]

*Disclaimer*
no wussy ass 2C+’s were harmed in the making of these righteous tones. My rev F and dirty tree were though.

EAS 1960BV cab:
57/421 mix


There was some eq, but VERY LITTLE. High and low cut ( 100hz with an ssl eq, similar to what bob rock would’ve done) a bump at 120 hz slightly, 1.2k rolled out, and 6k boosted a tad on a high shelf… again, these are well documented moves that bob rock made. While this isn’t the same, I spent a whopping 5 minutes dialing this in. The cab and mic combo is the ticket for this tone, followed by that big cut at 1.2k… for no EMG’s, or bob rocks ears, this is pretty wild to me.

i think it speaks for itself!

https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/z5qwnwckZihnQnbS7

 

[VESmedic]

The isolated sad but true guitars for refernce… of course, but volume difference, and the lack of the room ‘verb is a big part of that sound too… and of course James’s hands and 8 guitars playing at once

 

[anomaly]

Pretty cool sounding. Would have sounded cooler with a 2C+ though.

 

[peterc52]

Nice!

 

[thegame]

A decent tone but misleading thread title. This clip gave me a 1/4 chub at best, not so hard!!! at all.

 

[VESmedic]

A decent tone but misleading thread title. This clip gave me a 1/4 chub at best, not so hard!!! at all

Then I guess I hit the mark of that sacred not so hard 2C+ Tone after all!!!!

 

[thegame]

Then I guess I hit the mark of that sacred not so hard 2C+ Tone after all!!!!

So the black album wasn't a Mark III after all? Apology accepted.

 

[Drkorey]

Sounds great. How did you pan your guitar track(s)?

 

[VESmedic]

So the black album wasn't a Mark III after all? Apology accepted.

Damn, you trust me over bob rock? I’m flattered!

 

[VESmedic]

Sounds great. How did you pan your guitar track(s)?

Thanks man. 100/100 80/80, pretty standard for me usually.

 

[thegame]

Damn, you trust me over bob rock? I’m flattered!

Most definitely, as that was likely recorded before you were born.

 

[VESmedic]

Most definitely, as that was likely recorded before you were born.

That’s cute!

 

[thegame]

That’s cute!

It's sad but true. Circle completed. Let's end this.

 

[JackBootedThug]

ok-your killin it Chris!!! for some reason that first clip sounded kinda...digital?....does that make sense? of course I'm listening on computer speakers.

 

[VESmedic]

ok-your killin it Chris!!! for some reason that first clip sounded kinda...digital?....does that make sense? of course I'm listening on computer speakers.

I don’t think so personally? But hey, to each his own. How you’re listening to anything makes all the difference for sure

 

[ZEN Amps]

Exact tone matching to an exisiting recording is an impossibility, even for the original artist using the same gear.

All that matters is good tone, and this sounds great to me. Digital sounding? Not quite sure what that means - maybe VESmedic needs to mic a cab, grab a Studer and press some vinyl for us ??

 

[Bardagh]

I think some people hear that bit of fizz and think its some kind of digital artifact. If so they should listen to those isolated black album guitars and hear the plentiful fizz in there.

Sounds really good, maybe just slightly too lean in the mids somewhere compared to the original, but also the stupid amount of guitar tracks they dubbed over the top of one another might have contributed. Either way it sounds great. Gonna have to check these IR's out.

 

[VESmedic]

I think some people hear that bit of fizz and think its some kind of digital artifact. If so they should listen to those isolated black album guitars and hear the plentiful fizz in there.

Sounds really good, maybe just slightly too lean in the mids somewhere compared to the original, but also the stupid amount of guitar tracks they dubbed over the top of one another might have contributed. Either way it sounds great. Gonna have to check these IR's out.

Thanks man, I totally 100 percent agree. That’s why I put the YouTube video up of the iso’d tones so people could see just how bright and upfront those tones were. The black album is the antithesis of modern metal production: drums are crazy loud, there’s relatively low compression, and the guitars are 4K city: all the shit modern soft engineers hate… but guess what, it sounds amazing and is often the standard of what production is judged by in heavier music.


These IR’s are absolutely insane, they really are the best I’ve ever used.

 

[VESmedic]

Exact tone matching to an exisiting recording is an impossibility, even for the original artist using the same gear.

All that matters is good tone, and this sounds great to me. Digital sounding? Not quite sure what that means - maybe VESmedic needs to mic a cab, grab a Studer and press some vinyl for us ??

Haha I wish! On that note, every time I try and use some digital plugin “tape simulation”, it just smears everything, bloats the low midrange and fucks up your low end. Im not sure why people think they need this stuff, it definitely doesn’t sound like real tape. If you think it sounds better after truly level matching I think you are lying to yourself, Atleast for heavier music. Real tape, that’s a different story.


Also the best tape sim I’ve used is audio acoustica’s “taupe” plugin, that one is spooky good on some busses and instruments for sure
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[easstudios]

Pretty sure some of the songs on the black album (and other Bob Rock productions) sometimes blended in an amp DI sound which adds a lot of that top end. It’s subtle but it adds that final missing piece.

Killer tones btw!