Educate Me On P90’s (Are they obsolete?)

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So I own a wide variety of guitars such as Les Paul, SG’s, Tele, Strat, Gretsch Hollowbody, 7 & 8 string, super strats, but never actually had any P90 equipped guitars. I partly shied away from them because I always felt they looked cheap and not aesthetically pleasing compared to humbuckers, but I’ve lately been trying a bunch of p90 guitars and honestly I just don’t get the appeal. I’ve tried some Gibson SG, Les Paul double cutaway, and Mosrite hollowbody all with p90‘s. I can get good sounds from them, but can’t see any situation in which I’d choose to play p90’s over humbucker, strat or tele type pickups. I know some say it has more bite and snarl compaered to humbuckers, but I didn’t find that to be the case. If anything that would be where the tele pu’s shine above to all others.

Of all varieties of pickups I’ve tried, I found p90’s to be the least articulate, I did not care for the cleans of any of them, none of them sounded as tight, clear, or chunky on palm mutes when AB’ed with good humbucker guitars. For powerchords I guess they have somewhat of a unique sound and growl, but for the most part they just sound like a thinner, less controlled humbucker to me and I’d say the same about how they sound for leads and single note riffs compared to humbuckers. They don’t have the glassiness, attack, or clarity of strat pickups, but I guess I still do hear some single coil characteristics to them. To me they seem like an awkward middle ground of humbuckers and other single coils but without my favorite qualities of either.

What are your guys thoughts? What it is about p90’s that you like that you can’t get out of the other styles of pickups? Am I just not trying the right p90’s? Is there something I’m not getting? Like I said, my experience with p90’s is limited but I’m always interested in exploring such things. Again, they don’t sound bad to me, but I just don’t see a use for them given the other varieties of pickups like strat, tele, and humbuckers (and some of my humbucker guitars can be coil split). To me they seem obsolete and visually ugly, but prove me wrong if you think I am.
 
Love how the new friedman guitars sound with p90's check out Michael Nielsen's videos.
 
They are a waste of time if you are chugging, imo. They are for cleaner tones.
 
The best tones I ever got was out of a vintage one:




You do need an NS10 for heavy stuff
 
squank":42qz3z30 said:
They are a waste of time if you are chugging, imo. They are for cleaner tones.

I did this with mine.



You need a gate.
 
squank":2g21jsq7 said:
They are a waste of time if you are chugging, imo. They are for cleaner tones.
Yeah I figured that would be the case, but wanted to try it briefly anyway. It seems like what they did best were low to medium gain sounds, but I did not like them at all for pristine type cleans, but even for those low-medium gain sounds, I still can't think why I'd ever choose them over a tele, strat, or humbucker type pickup
 
p90 is it's own thing... les paul jr with one is magical. it does not djent, not it's purpose.
 
thefyn":2abevziy said:
The best tones I ever got was out of a vintage one:




You do need an NS10 for heavy stuff
That sounds pretty good, but exactly how I was describing my experience with them, meaning they can sound good, but still don't see a reason to use them over the other styles of pickups. I don't read too much into the sounds from clips though anyway
 
Variety is the spice of life. A great P90 is somewhere in between a single coil and a bucker. I used to play a 74 LP loaded with P90's and while they were somewhat noisey, the tone was on point for classic rock. As was mentioned above, if your doing heavier music, it wouldnt be my choice for sure.
 
gtrwun":1m2q28j4 said:
Variety is the spice of life. A great P90 is somewhere in between a single coil and a bucker. I used to play a 74 LP loaded with P90's and while they were somewhat noisey, the tone was on point for classic rock. As was mentioned above, if your doing heavier music, it wouldnt be my choice for sure.
I agree entirely about the "variety is the spice of life" part, but that's also why I'm disappointed with my experience with p90's. For the most part they just sound like thinner and noisy and less focused PAF's. I feel like when I coil split my Alnico 5 Wolfetone Blisterbucker (a high output 16K humbucker) (Wolfetone's are also the best humbuckers I've ever tried so far), it outdoes a p90 in every way! (at least based on the ones I've tried)
 
In my experience P-90s sound best into a dimed high power Fender tweed amp or a low Power Marshall such as a JTM45. Into a high gain amp doesnt make any sense to me with P90s YMMV

Brad
 
phil x sounds pretty good through a p90, and he gets that chuggah chuggah thing pretty food. definitely sounds good to me.

 
mooncobra":avh5s01w said:
phil x sounds pretty good through a p90, and he gets that chuggah chuggah thing pretty food. definitely sounds good to me.


Phil will be the first to tell ya he has to boost his Yamaha P90 guitars, he uses a Digitech Bad Monkey.
 
King Guitar":bxy8h0bb said:
In my experience P-90s sound best into a dimed high power Fender tweed amp or a low Power Marshall such as a JTM45. Into a high gain amp doesnt make any sense to me with P90s YMMV

Brad
Yes I'm sure they can sound great that way but what I'm trying to understand is what can they do in such a scenario that you wouldn't get from a humbucker, tele, or strat?
 
braintheory":1wb15bbm said:
King Guitar":1wb15bbm said:
In my experience P-90s sound best into a dimed high power Fender tweed amp or a low Power Marshall such as a JTM45. Into a high gain amp doesnt make any sense to me with P90s YMMV

Brad
Yes I'm sure they can sound great that way but what I'm trying to understand is what can they do in such a scenario that you wouldn't get from a humbucker, tele, or strat?

A real HOT P90 from the 1950s would bloom into harmonic feedback where a Humbucker usually would not. I have a 1958 Les Paul Special that does that in spades. A great P90 also reacts very well to rolling the volume off and cleaning up well. Roll the tone and it can sound like the women tone thing. Thats why guys can gig with a single pick up Les Paul Junior. Its all about tone chasing with the guitar, the pots and your hands, With a rack full of stuff, delays, and tons of gain all of that goes away and it is just a less better sounding pick up than a good humbucker. YMMV
 
King Guitar":9te9yh3m said:
braintheory":9te9yh3m said:
King Guitar":9te9yh3m said:
In my experience P-90s sound best into a dimed high power Fender tweed amp or a low Power Marshall such as a JTM45. Into a high gain amp doesnt make any sense to me with P90s YMMV

Brad
Yes I'm sure they can sound great that way but what I'm trying to understand is what can they do in such a scenario that you wouldn't get from a humbucker, tele, or strat?

A real HOT P90 from the 1950s would bloom into harmonic feedback where a Humbucker usually would not. I have a 1958 Les Paul Special that does that in spades. A great P90 also reacts very well to rolling the volume off and cleaning up well. Roll the tone and it can sound like the women tone thing. Thats why guys can gig with a single pick up Les Paul Junior. Its all about tone chasing with the guitar, the pots and your hands, With a rack full of stuff, delays, and tons of gain all of that goes away and it is just a less better sounding pick up than a good humbucker. YMMV
I guess the harmonic feedback aspect is cool. I wonder if my Wolfetone Blisterbucker split could do that. As for rolling off on the volume, I don't care about that much for my needs, and I'd think a strat or tele would be at least as good if not better for that
 
braintheory":3j3b3is4 said:
King Guitar":3j3b3is4 said:
braintheory":3j3b3is4 said:
King Guitar":3j3b3is4 said:
In my experience P-90s sound best into a dimed high power Fender tweed amp or a low Power Marshall such as a JTM45. Into a high gain amp doesnt make any sense to me with P90s YMMV

Brad
Yes I'm sure they can sound great that way but what I'm trying to understand is what can they do in such a scenario that you wouldn't get from a humbucker, tele, or strat?

A real HOT P90 from the 1950s would bloom into harmonic feedback where a Humbucker usually would not. I have a 1958 Les Paul Special that does that in spades. A great P90 also reacts very well to rolling the volume off and cleaning up well. Roll the tone and it can sound like the women tone thing. Thats why guys can gig with a single pick up Les Paul Junior. Its all about tone chasing with the guitar, the pots and your hands, With a rack full of stuff, delays, and tons of gain all of that goes away and it is just a less better sounding pick up than a good humbucker. YMMV
I guess the harmonic feedback aspect is cool. I wonder if my Wolfetone Blisterbucker split could do that. As for rolling off on the volume, I don't care about that much for my needs, and I'd think a strat or tele would be at least as good if not better for that

lots of different colors of paint available now. Back in 1946 when the P90 debuted not so much. :D
 
-Google-leslie west-(mountain)-Mississippi Queen-

-if that tone don't give you a shiver, then no amount of talking will matter-

P.S.-wish I was smart enough to just post the clip(s) like the cool kids do!!
 
gtrwun":13si8a76 said:
Variety is the spice of life. A great P90 is somewhere in between a single coil and a bucker. I used to play a 74 LP loaded with P90's and while they were somewhat noisey, the tone was on point for classic rock. As was mentioned above, if your doing heavier music, it wouldnt be my choice for sure.

Agree 100%. I think of them as a Fender single coil with more "girth" & body.
 
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