EVH "Live Without A Net" tone - Eventide question?

[reverymike]

So, I think this tone from "Live Without a Net" is awesome. Old Marshalls, with a hint of harmonizer and delay.

My question is, if I was going to cop this tone using a Pitchfactor for harmonizing. . .should I use the micro shift or the 910/949 setting? I'm 99% sure it'd be the 910/949 with just the littlest shift possible.

FYI, I don't have a Pitchfactor yet. . .I'm considering adding one to my rig.

Thanks!

 

[Digital Jams]

I was at that show, 2nd night.

Balance is where I identify EVH using pitchshift using an H3000, going back to listen again..................

 

[Bronco]

So, I think this tone from "Live Without a Net" is awesome. Old Marshalls, with a hint of harmonizer and delay.

My question is, if I was going to cop this tone using a Pitchfactor for harmonizing. . .should I use the micro shift or the 910/949 setting? I'm 99% sure it'd be the 910/949 with just the littlest shift possible.

FYI, I don't have a Pitchfactor yet. . .I'm considering adding one to my rig.

Thanks!

That would work fine; also, the 'Micro Pitch' effect would also suffice. Bottom line, short of getting an H3000, the PF will absolutely get you there, especially if you are running stereo or even W/D/W.

 

[reverymike]

During that era (1986/88) EVH was using the 949, so I'm thinking the 910/949 might be the ticket.

I'd be using it in a W/D system. Amp to 4x12, then Amp line out to Pitchfactor, to SDE3000, to V800 to 4x12.

 

[Mr. Willy]

What's the difference between detuning and chorus?

 

[Bronco]

What's the difference between detuning and chorus?

Chorus oscillates; detuning does not...I'm sure there is a more accurate description, but that's always been the jist of it IIR.

 

[Little B]

Man,Im glad somebody brought that era of tone up from Eddie in this thread!..Ive seen them round that time...Definitely some of his best tones ...I do know it is important to run a w/d/w rig to get this down right---or youll get the " generic washed out ,flabbed out chorusy pedal preset tone".....He always had a dry cab going straight to the board,then wet cabs-leave the mixing in up to the f.o.h.guy.....Id love to hear more on this!!!!!

 

[Anonymous]

W/D/W setup with JMP Marshall amp driving center dry Marshall 4x12 cab with greenbacks. Line out from amp to Eventide H3000 (set 100% wet, micropitchshift +9 Left/ -9 Right, 250ms Delay L/ 500ms Delay R, a few volume declining repeats) - solid state power amp (adjust wet cab volumes to just add a bit of "magic" from the micropitchshifting to thicken the sound - main sound should still be dry) - out to Left and right Marshall 4x12s.

I'd assume you could something similar with the PitchFactor...

Done...

Steve

 

[reverymike]

The 5150 era was pre H3000, and also pre w/d/w. He was actually NOT using a dry cab at that time. Bradshaw was trying to get him to run the dry, but he wasn't interested.

During this time, it was 949s, SDE3000s, a Rane SM26 mixer, and the HHV800 amp.

 

[Digital Jams]

The 5150 era was pre H3000, and also pre w/d/w. He was actually NOT using a dry cab at that time. Bradshaw was trying to get him to run the dry, but he wasn't interested.

During this time, it was 949s, SDE3000s, a Rane SM26 mixer, and the HHV800 amp.

I would go with the H3000 and score the Vai presets along with your VH tones imo, yes I have an H3000 d/sx and SDE-3000 and even the Rane so I have some experience.


The H3000 will also get you the Balance tones as well.

 

[Little B]

Cool!...Im curious.....can this be achieved w/ a TC. G force or g system as well?...

 

[Anonymous]

The 5150 era was pre H3000, and also pre w/d/w. He was actually NOT using a dry cab at that time. Bradshaw was trying to get him to run the dry, but he wasn't interested.

During this time, it was 949s, SDE3000s, a Rane SM26 mixer, and the HHV800 amp.

Not correct. He was running w/d/w. What Bradshaw was trying to get him to do was run the wet cabs 100% wet, but he wanted some dry sound in the wet cabs. He did have the completely dry cab. I don't care what Eventide he was running at the time. If you tried the setup I just described, you'd hear this tone. I've been experimenting with these tones for a long, long time... but you do whatever makes you happy...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Cool!...Im curious.....can this be achieved w/ a TC. G force or g system as well?...

If they have the micropitchshift capability, you should be able to get damn close...

Steve

 

[Digital Jams]

The 5150 era was pre H3000, and also pre w/d/w. He was actually NOT using a dry cab at that time. Bradshaw was trying to get him to run the dry, but he wasn't interested.

During this time, it was 949s, SDE3000s, a Rane SM26 mixer, and the HHV800 amp.

Not correct. He was running w/d/w. What Bradshaw was trying to get him to do was run the wet cabs 100% wet, but he wanted some dry sound in the wet cabs. He did have the completely dry cab. I don't care what Eventide he was running at the time. If you tried the setup I just described, you'd hear this tone. I've been experimenting with these tones for a long, long time... but you do whatever makes you happy...

Steve

Said with conviction but you should not do it with a japping type attitude.

 

[reverymike]

The 5150 era was pre H3000, and also pre w/d/w. He was actually NOT using a dry cab at that time. Bradshaw was trying to get him to run the dry, but he wasn't interested.

During this time, it was 949s, SDE3000s, a Rane SM26 mixer, and the HHV800 amp.

Not correct. He was running w/d/w. What Bradshaw was trying to get him to do was run the wet cabs 100% wet, but he wanted some dry sound in the wet cabs. He did have the completely dry cab. I don't care what Eventide he was running at the time. If you tried the setup I just described, you'd hear this tone. I've been experimenting with these tones for a long, long time... but you do whatever makes you happy...

Steve

Said with conviction but you should not do it with a japping type attitude.

Agreed. I'll reread the article I have with Bradshaw talking about the rig. I could have sworn he said that Ed wanted to just run a load on the amp, and play in stereo. I could be wrong, but I've been studying this topic for over 20 years, so I have some experience here as well.

 

[Anonymous]

The 5150 era was pre H3000, and also pre w/d/w. He was actually NOT using a dry cab at that time. Bradshaw was trying to get him to run the dry, but he wasn't interested.

During this time, it was 949s, SDE3000s, a Rane SM26 mixer, and the HHV800 amp.

Not correct. He was running w/d/w. What Bradshaw was trying to get him to do was run the wet cabs 100% wet, but he wanted some dry sound in the wet cabs. He did have the completely dry cab. I don't care what Eventide he was running at the time. If you tried the setup I just described, you'd hear this tone. I've been experimenting with these tones for a long, long time... but you do whatever makes you happy...

Steve

Said with conviction but you should not do it with a japping type attitude.

Agreed. I'll reread the article I have with Bradshaw talking about the rig. I could have sworn he said that Ed wanted to just run a load on the amp, and play in stereo. I could be wrong, but I've been studying this topic for over 20 years, so I have some experience here as well.

Well, I've been studying this for 40 years! Please do not take japs at my experience...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

The 5150 era was pre H3000, and also pre w/d/w. He was actually NOT using a dry cab at that time. Bradshaw was trying to get him to run the dry, but he wasn't interested.

During this time, it was 949s, SDE3000s, a Rane SM26 mixer, and the HHV800 amp.

Not correct. He was running w/d/w. What Bradshaw was trying to get him to do was run the wet cabs 100% wet, but he wanted some dry sound in the wet cabs. He did have the completely dry cab. I don't care what Eventide he was running at the time. If you tried the setup I just described, you'd hear this tone. I've been experimenting with these tones for a long, long time... but you do whatever makes you happy...

Steve

Said with conviction but you should not do it with a japping type attitude.

Agreed. I'll reread the article I have with Bradshaw talking about the rig. I could have sworn he said that Ed wanted to just run a load on the amp, and play in stereo. I could be wrong, but I've been studying this topic for over 20 years, so I have some experience here as well.

In all seriousness, you seem to have your mind made up already on what to do, so why bother asking here? If you've been studying this topic for over 20 years, surely you've figured it out by now?

Also, recognize that, regardless of what Ed actually did (based on hazy recollections of those around at the time), there is more than one way to get this tone. I have a setup like I described and it will get you right there for the tone you are trying to schieve (with some minor tweaks for your ears). It doesn't make sense to dismiss it based on the idea that "Ed didn't do it that way"...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

The 5150 era was pre H3000, and also pre w/d/w. He was actually NOT using a dry cab at that time. Bradshaw was trying to get him to run the dry, but he wasn't interested.

During this time, it was 949s, SDE3000s, a Rane SM26 mixer, and the HHV800 amp.

Not correct. He was running w/d/w. What Bradshaw was trying to get him to do was run the wet cabs 100% wet, but he wanted some dry sound in the wet cabs. He did have the completely dry cab. I don't care what Eventide he was running at the time. If you tried the setup I just described, you'd hear this tone. I've been experimenting with these tones for a long, long time... but you do whatever makes you happy...

Steve

Said with conviction but you should not do it with a japping type attitude.

Racist.

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

I was at that show, 2nd night.

Balance is where I identify EVH using pitchshift using an H3000, going back to listen again..................

He was using Eventide micropitchshifting as early as VHII...

Steve

 

[reverymike]

No need to get all riled up. My original question was about the Pitchfactor. I thought this would be a great place to have a discussion about this particular tone, and which setting on the Pitchfactor might be best to achieve it.

BTW, I didn't dismiss your method. I know that the H3000 micropitch and 250/500 delays will get very close. I merely pointed out that that wasn't what was happening back then. Those settings are a great simulation of an overall EVH effected tone. However, my original question was more about the Pitchfactor, and whether or not the micro or the 910/949 setting would be closer.