EVH SDE-3000 pedal wdw issues

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Using a Fortin Cali for main amp
EVH Stealth 6L6 Head /return loop only right side
Bogner 20th Shiva/ return loop only left side

The 4-cable method is simple stupid, BUT The Stealth amp return has no volume control and is WAY louder than the Fortin and Shiva.

You CANNOT control any volumes on the EVH head.
Any similar YouTube video running the same factory diagram 4 cable method sounds killer.

I did a GLOBAL Reset on the SDE-3000 EVH pedal which did nothing.
Like I stated,its simple and should be working correctly right from the Factory settings.

I am able to control the volume on the Bogner return with the Master volume but the Steath amp...no go

What the heck :confused:
 
I have a w/d/w setup but use a stereo power amp for the wet cabs. Center cab is dry. Marshall jcm800 2203 is main amp.
I had a friend help me get this set up and i am not the most knowledgeable about wdw setups lol.
I just bought a mixer to add to it to blend in more dry into wet cabs which make it sound even fuller. I will need help figuring out how to hook up the mixer lol.

Only thing I can tell you is with my stereo power amp (BGW), VOLUME for all 3 cabs is controlled from the mashall. Never have to touch the stereo power amp volume. It follows the volume from marshall. Love that.
 
You need to control the volume at the tapped signal of your Fortin Cali amp(main amp dry cab signal) The best solution probably would be the Suhr Iso Line out box and a dedicated power amp for the wet delay signal from your SDE3000EVH.

I know some use the mini mixer to even blend dry signal into the wet cabinets as well but I just run 100% wet in the delayed L+R wet cab and totally dry middle cabinet and that works just fine for me.
 
harddriver said:
You need to control the volume at the tapped signal of your Fortin Cali amp(main amp dry cab signal) The best solution probably would be the Suhr Iso Line out box and a dedicated power amp for the wet delay signal from your SDE3000EVH.

I know some use the mini mixer to even blend dry signal into the wet cabinets as well but I just run 100% wet in the delayed L+R wet cab and totally dry middle cabinet and that works just fine for me.
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The Bray box has a level as well, for 50$. No ISO transformer though. But I can control the signal with it, like the Suhr.
 
harddriver said:
You need to control the volume at the tapped signal of your Fortin Cali amp(main amp dry cab signal)
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I can put the Main(Fortin) center (DRY) amp on zero and the EVH still comes on with crazy volume....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
I have the pedal and have used it in the following setups (Stereo) with mixed results:

2 x EVH Heads
1 x EVH Head, 1 x Orange Super Crush Combo
2 x Orange Super Crush Combos

With 2 EVH heads, I could only control volume thru one amp. Other head was return out to pedal.

With the 1 EVH and 1 Orange, it didn't sound the same and someone told me it was the difference in the types of loops and tube and solid state difference.

With the two Orange combos, I can control volume on both amps.

I briefly did do wdw but only had a tiny amp eith two EVH heads so wasn't worth it. I may try it again with my EVH head and two combos but not sure how that will do.
 
Hey John, curious if you use the EVH as your main as a test and see if you can control the other volumes.
 
It is crazy too that the video setup doesn't match the manual. He is using the outer jacks and the manual says the side by side jacks for outer cabs.
 
I used the Stealth as the center main amp
Shiva left
Diezel Herbert right.

I had to crank the shit out of the Herberts master to get it close to the Shiva,

Just cant figure why in that video he didnt seem to have any volume issues.
He does use 3 different EVH heads but thats a road I'm not going down just to make a fucking pedal work correctly.
 
romanianreaper said:
It is crazy too that the video setup doesn't match the manual. He is using the outer jacks and the manual says the side by side jacks for outer cabs.
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He has it Just the same as the manual shows.
You seeing something I'm not?
 
Are there individual volume outs on the pedal itself? Just a thought as I dont have the pedal.
 
phil b said:
Are there individual volume outs on the pedal itself? Just a thought as I dont have the pedal.
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The manual is a total let down. You have to Google just about everything.
I was kinda hoping there might have been different left/right volumes but have not found it.
As I said in past post here that the Video shows "just plug the bitch in" and play.
Only thing he did do is touch on the internal Noise suppression.

I'm not the smartest guy in here but c'mon. It's not rocket science.


Good call Phil
 
There is a level out of the pedal. 0-100.

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I came a crossed it a while ago.
Either it was under something/gain or foot/vol. it’s towards the end in the setup menu if I’m thinking right.
 
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I think you should sell 2 heads and keep your fave. Then buy a stereo power amp and then you can controll volume from the 1 head for all 3 cabs. But i am just going by my very limited experience with my wdw setup. A good stereo power amp is between 100 to 300 bucks i think.
 
John4021 said:
I can put the Main(Fortin) center (DRY) amp on zero and the EVH still comes on with crazy volume....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Are you using some kind of lineout jack on the back of the Fortin amp and is it adjustable(level/volumewise)?

By your description it sounds like you are running your dry signal through the SDE3000 pedal to control volume of you dry cab.

It sounds like you are hitting the SDE3000 pedal with too hot of a signal in the first place. The SUHR ISO line out would plug into your open speaker jack of your Fortin and the output then becomes your line level signal to feed to you pedal. The Suhr iso line out is transformer isolated and has a volume level so you don't hit your wet effects with a really hot signal.

Your dry signal should just be controlled with the volume on your Fortin amp to your dry cabinet, so I am a little confused when you say you are running the dry signal through the SDE3000 pedal. Since you are using two different amps for power amps the loops are different designs and that may also affect the volumes

I did not watch the Rockinchippy video so I don't know how he sets his W/D/W up.

As I said before you need to control the line level signal so it is not too hot going into your SDE3000 pedal first for you wet L+R cabinets.
 
+4 db on the level.
Pedal lets you choose -10/-20 and line level +4
There is and internal input level meter that shows if your pegging the signal to hard
Line level is used for using the loop
 
Briman24 said:
I think you should sell 2 heads and keep your fave. Then buy a stereo power amp and then you can controll volume from the 1 head for all 3 cabs. But i am just going by my very limited experience with my wdw setup. A good stereo power amp is between 100 to 300 bucks i think.
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I thought about stripping a touring 14 space rack for the Mesa 295 power amp. But I use that for power to a Fractal F/X .


..and as the great Steve King would say;
Dont sell or pay for head"

:LOL:
 
harddriver said:
Are you using some kind of lineout jack on the back of the Fortin amp and is it adjustable(level/volumewise)?


It sounds like you are hitting the SDE3000 pedal with too hot of a signal in the first place. The SUHR ISO line out would plug into your open speaker jack of your Fortin and the output then becomes your line level signal to feed to you pedal. The Suhr iso line out is transformer isolated and has a volume level so you don't hit your wet effects with a really hot signal.

Your dry signal should just be controlled with the volume on your Fortin amp to your dry cabinet, so I am a little confused when you say you are running the dry signal through the SDE3000 pedal. Since you are using two different amps for power amps the loops are different designs and that may also affect the volumes



As I said before you need to control the line level signal so it is not too hot going into your SDE3000 pedal first for you wet L+R cabinets.
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The EVH amps are intentionally designed this way to facilitate slaving and W/D/W. The master is before the loop, so when you have three EVH heads set up you can control the volume on all three with the center amp. Mixing EVH amps with amps that have the master post-return is what leads to the balance issues.

Eddie himself did not use three heads for wet/dry/wet. He used a load box to generate a line level signal to run to his rack. The PCM70 (used for Cathedral and Everybody Wants Some) split the mono input into L and R signals, with each one running through a dedicated SDE-3000 (a mono unit). The outputs from the delays went into solid state power amps that drove the left and right cabs.

The EVH delay pedal has two separate stereo delay engines. This is an enhancement over the original mono units. However, the true-to-Ed setting is two mono delays in parallel. If you're using stereo delays then you won't be able to balance the levels between the left in right channels, but for DDL1 and DDL2 each you CAN control the amount of dry signal and the output individually, so you can try to balance them out that way. The dry level controls are hidden in the SETUP menu.

You could also try inserting a volume control after the delay to dim down the signal hitting the EVH, or use a mixer.
 
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