FORTIN or CAMERON HELP? HELP? HELP?

[Devilinside]

I need input from guys thats owned or heard both builders extensively. I have the Bones and can honestly say that it is my favorite amp to date(long list)! The thing is i have a DSL as well which boosted with the suhr koko boost sounds really good as well. Im running the 2 in stereo and together it is sonic nirvana but running a dual amp setup is the FUCKING BIGGEST PAIN IN MY ASS! I purchased a G major 2 to run in the DSL loop for a wet/dry setup for ultimate flexibility.
Ok here is the problem. The bones does not have a dedicated clean channel and i use clean some, not a lot but is still a requirement. As far as heavies and dynamics I love the Fortin I think mainly due to how articulate it is but still in a natural way thats still in a marshall type overall sound however without the DSL it seems like a little something is missing besides a clean channel. Its something about Marshall(even a DSL) that has a mid type spread that fills in the dead spots so running both has been a treat and a curse.
I have had ground loops and phasing issues from day one and when i finally thought i had it straight with just a few pedals and a switcher, I went and sold off the pedals for an all in one(gmajor 2) to eliminate cables and trouble spots and im back with the same problems again.. major phasing issues! Im already running a Y-not with no success.
Im wondering if one amp posdibly the cameron CCV COULD Suit my needs? Im so fucking tired of trying to make 2 amps work together and really want to play more instead of constantly hooking/unhooking gear. I love the marshall sound but really love the Fortins clarity so how would a CCV fit into the equation?

Sorry this is so long but im stumped!!

 

[Digital Jams]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

 

[LP Freak]

The clean on the CCV was a big concern for me too. I was pleasently surprised at how good it actually is. On that same channel you can also get great lower and mid gain tones all the way up to a relatively high gain. Lot's of versitility there on ch.1. I also owned a Bones and for me the CCV is clearly the winner.

 

[Devilinside]

It sucks not being able to play these amps in person! Im a plug in and rip guy so this shit is really pissing me off

 

[LP Freak]

It sucks not being able to play these amps in person! Im a plug in and rip guy so this shit is really pissing me off

Trust me, I feel your pain brother. It took me a long time to pull the trigger.

 

[jcj]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

Actually, they can get fairly close in sound....jmgman and I have done it a couple of times....similar vein, if you want them to be, but different feel.

 

[Devilinside]

The clean on the CCV was a big concern for me too. I was pleasently surprised at how good it actually is. On that same channel you can also get great lower and mid gain tones all the way up to a relatively high gain. Lot's of versitility there on ch.1. I also owned a Bones and for me the CCV is clearly the winner.

Sorry to be a pain but what to you made a clear winner?

 

[LP Freak]

The clean on the CCV was a big concern for me too. I was pleasently surprised at how good it actually is. On that same channel you can also get great lower and mid gain tones all the way up to a relatively high gain. Lot's of versitility there on ch.1. I also owned a Bones and for me the CCV is clearly the winner.

Sorry to be a pain but what to you made a clear winner?

Mike makes a great amp but I never really dug the tone. No matter what I did I just couldn't get the tone I was looking for. It was mostly how the mids were voiced. Just wasn't what I was looking for. That and the lack of a clean channel. The CCV has a great feel and has that Cameron rip that nobody else has. Notes bloom on the CCV like no other amp. Even at low gain settings the notes just pop and bloom into a beautiful feedback.

 

[jmgman69]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

Actually, they can get fairly close in sound....jmgman and I have done it a couple of times....similar vein, if you want them to be, but different feel.

Totally agree,and we need to do this again

 

[Digital Jams]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

Actually, they can get fairly close in sound....jmgman and I have done it a couple of times....similar vein, if you want them to be, but different feel.

I could see it, maybe with some tweaking to get them close but the Bones is not the CCV. The schematics show that.

Two different amps anyways, the CCV is a gain monster while the Bones is just that...a simple single channel player's amp I can easily understand why one would perfer one amp over the other.

 

[jcj]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

Actually, they can get fairly close in sound....jmgman and I have done it a couple of times....similar vein, if you want them to be, but different feel.

I could see it, maybe with some tweaking to get them close but the Bones is not the CCV. The schematics show that.

Two different amps anyways, the CCV is a gain monster while the Bones is just that...a simple single channel player's amp I can easily understand why one would perfer one amp over the other.

Agreed.

FWIW, I set the CCV up differently than most.....not a flamethrower gain kinda guy

 

[LP Freak]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

Actually, they can get fairly close in sound....jmgman and I have done it a couple of times....similar vein, if you want them to be, but different feel.

I could see it, maybe with some tweaking to get them close but the Bones is not the CCV. The schematics show that.

Two different amps anyways, the CCV is a gain monster while the Bones is just that...a simple single channel player's amp I can easily understand why one would perfer one amp over the other.

Agreed.

FWIW, I set the CCV up differently than most.....not a flamethrower gain kinda guy

I think we have similar taste.

 

[Digital Jams]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

Actually, they can get fairly close in sound....jmgman and I have done it a couple of times....similar vein, if you want them to be, but different feel.

I could see it, maybe with some tweaking to get them close but the Bones is not the CCV. The schematics show that.

Two different amps anyways, the CCV is a gain monster while the Bones is just that...a simple single channel player's amp I can easily understand why one would perfer one amp over the other.

Agreed.

FWIW, I set the CCV up differently than most.....not a flamethrower gain kinda guy

I need flame to burn the shit playing away

 

[jcj]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

Actually, they can get fairly close in sound....jmgman and I have done it a couple of times....similar vein, if you want them to be, but different feel.

I could see it, maybe with some tweaking to get them close but the Bones is not the CCV. The schematics show that.

Two different amps anyways, the CCV is a gain monster while the Bones is just that...a simple single channel player's amp I can easily understand why one would perfer one amp over the other.

Agreed.

FWIW, I set the CCV up differently than most.....not a flamethrower gain kinda guy

I think we have similar taste.

Really glad you're digging the CCV...I know it was a long time coming

If I had to have just one, that would be it....without a doubt.

 

[Devilinside]

I think im most concerned with clarity!! One thing I love about the bones is the articulation. It can track really really fast but has more of that vintage flavor than say a NATAS, which is too modern for me

 

[Devilinside]

The Bones is NOT voiced like the CCV, all I can really tell you.

Well that and one amp is not going to sound like two running in stereo.

Actually, they can get fairly close in sound....jmgman and I have done it a couple of times....similar vein, if you want them to be, but different feel.

Totally agree,and we need to do this again [/uote]
jason what would you say about the articulation/clarity between the two? I know that we both love and know the Bones well

 

[jcj]

IMHO....for me...the CCV has more of both.

I prefer the Bones to the Fortin mods I've tried, but definitely prefer the CCV over the Bones, for my style.

Like Scott said, I can see someone liking either over the other, depending on how they set the amps and what they want to feel/hear.

You really need to try them yourself.

 

[Devilinside]

IMHO....for me...the CCV has more of both.

I prefer the Bones to the Fortin mods I've tried, but definitely prefer the CCV over the Bones, for my style.

Like Scott said, I can see someone liking either over the other, depending on how they set the amps and what they want to feel/hear.

You really need to try them yourself.

Thats the problem, i live in a very small town and im prob FAR away from anyone that even owns one

 

[drewiv]

The clean on the CCV was a big concern for me too. I was pleasently surprised at how good it actually is. On that same channel you can also get great lower and mid gain tones all the way up to a relatively high gain. Lot's of versitility there on ch.1. I also owned a Bones and for me the CCV is clearly the winner.

I told you that you were worrying way too much about the reviews of the CCV clean.

 

[LP Freak]

The clean on the CCV was a big concern for me too. I was pleasently surprised at how good it actually is. On that same channel you can also get great lower and mid gain tones all the way up to a relatively high gain. Lot's of versitility there on ch.1. I also owned a Bones and for me the CCV is clearly the winner.

I told you that you were worrying way too much about the reviews of the CCV clean.

I ended up finding a couple of clips where I was able to hear what I was looking for. It actually sounds great with single coils.