Fryette Deliverance II

[braintheory]

You might really like a Badlander for what you’re describing. I really enjoy mine. IMO a boosted Naylor or late ‘70’s JMP2203 also would smoke any amp mentioned in this thread sound-wise except for the Wizards (I’ve played all these amps except the MKII version Deliverance), but Naylor’s don’t pop up used much. Of course Wizards or IIC+’s would be among the best choices, but are super expensive these days

 

[PurityS.L.G]

Talk about a bummer and boner killer man LOL I'm sorry to hear of your findings. This amp is on my radar but maybe not now. I had an OG D60 and to this day, it is one of the most pissed off sounding amps I've ever played. I was super curious about the update. I appreciate you sharing your experience. A friend of mine is going to buy the Synergy model of this next week. I'm very eager to try it out and see what its all about.

 

[PurityS.L.G]

IMO a boosted Naylor or late ‘70’s JMP2203 also would smoke any amp mentioned in this thread sound-wise

Hard to argue this. Being an 80's kid, I grew up to appreciate both vintage and modern hi gain sounds. There is something about the Marshall sound. So throaty and authoritative...with the volume UP as it was intended.

 

[Faded Abyss]

You might really like a Badlander for what you’re describing. I really enjoy mine. IMO a boosted Naylor or late ‘70’s JMP2203 also would smoke any amp mentioned in this thread sound-wise except for the Wizards (I’ve played all these amps except the MKII version Deliverance), but Naylor’s don’t pop up used much. Of course Wizards or IIC+’s would be among the best choices, but are super expensive these days

yeah, I’m considering the badlander too. I wish they’d yard out the loadbox and ir loader and shave off a few hundred but maybe I’d end up using those features some day

 

[braintheory]

Hard to argue this. Being an 80's kid, I grew up to appreciate both vintage and modern hi gain sounds. There is something about the Marshall sound. So throaty and authoritative...with the volume UP as it was intended.

Yes this exactly why it’s so hard to beat. All these other modern high gain amps can sound quite impressive on their own, but then AB it with a stock ‘70’s JMP2203 boosted and watch this amp over 40 years old humiliate them. I lactually like my ‘95 Naylor boosted even more than my ‘79 JMP2203, it’s beefier/chunkier/heavier, but still keeping the JMP because it still has that uppermid thing that the Naylor doesn’t quite get

 

[braintheory]

yeah, I’m considering the badlander too. I wish they’d yard out the loadbox and ir loader and shave off a few hundred but maybe I’d end up using those features some day

I don’t use those features either. I bought mine used. I still think though that it’s a lot of tone for the money at brand new price. It’s one of the few non-vintage amps I’ve kept so far

 

[Faded Abyss]

THIS is the sound I’m after. This guy seems to be a wizard with production though it does sound purty raw

 

[DanTravis62]

You might really like a Badlander for what you’re describing. I really enjoy mine. IMO a boosted Naylor or late ‘70’s JMP2203 also would smoke any amp mentioned in this thread sound-wise except for the Wizards (I’ve played all these amps except the MKII version Deliverance), but Naylor’s don’t pop up used much. Of course Wizards or IIC+’s would be among the best choices, but are super expensive these days

This specific thing is what Wizard, Naylor, and Larry get right, and very few other modern high gain amp makers do.

Those early Marshalls have a spine-shattering BIGNESS and authority that many modern amps simply don't have, and very few modern amp makers get right, at least IMO.

 

[dainbramage0]

THIS is the sound I’m after. This guy seems to be a wizard with production though it does sound purty raw

that sounds solid. interesting settings.

 

[braintheory]

This specific thing is what Wizard, Naylor, and Larry get right, and very few other modern high gain amp makers do.

Those early Marshalls have a spine-shattering BIGNESS and authority that many modern amps simply don't have, and very few modern amp makers get right, at least IMO.

Yes exactly the only modern amps I have that I think do that are my Wizard, Naylor, Gjika and I'm sure Larry would do it as well (still gotta try one). My Naylor is actually from 1995, but I've heard others say that the recent ones are as good. The Gjika is not a metal or hard rock amp, but incredible for what to is and one of my top 4 favorite amps

 

[DanTravis62]

Yes exactly the only modern amps I have that I think do that are my Wizard, Naylor, Gjika and I'm sure Larry would do it as well (still gotta try one). My Naylor is actually from 1995, but I've heard others say that the recent ones are as good. The Gjika is not a metal or hard rock amp, but incredible for what to is and one of my top 4 favorite amps

Totally agree, the 10n is one of the best sounding amps I've ever played, even though it isn't my normal flavor. They have a mind boggling three dimensional thing going on, too - similar to an early DC30 but more Marshall than Vox, if that makes sense.

Hey man, if you're ever in the Pacific Northwest, you're more than welcome to try my Larry?

You wouldn't be the first rig talk or tgp member I've had over to play it. Sometimes when you're in love you want to shout it to the world.

 

[braintheory]

Totally agree, the 10n is one of the best sounding amps I've ever played, even though it isn't my normal flavor. They have a mind boggling three dimensional thing going on, too - similar to an early DC30 but more Marshall than Vox, if that makes sense.

Hey man, if you're ever in the Pacific Northwest, you're more than welcome to try my Larry?

You wouldn't be the first rig talk or tgp member I've had over to play it. Sometimes when you're in love you want to shout it to the world.

Oh wow so you've also tried a 10N! Yeah its one of the very best amps I've ever played, but I admittedly don't play it that often since I'm more of a metal player (often in a similar style to your clips). To me its kinda like my Plexi and Jim Kelley had a baby because the Kelley also has this magical, vocal 3D things going on, but I guess it's its own thing really

I would love to try a Larry. I ordered actually a PMM, but will be at least another year I'm guessing for it. Really hoping it can send a lot of my current amps packing. I appreciate the invite. If you're ever in New York you're also welcome to try my stuff, although its entirely possible that none of my amps will touch your Larry for high gain stuff, hard to say until I finally hear one. I might possibly move to San Francisco in the future actually, but not sure yet

 

[DanTravis62]

Oh wow so you've also tried a 10N! Yeah its one of the very best amps I've ever played, but I admittedly don't play it that often since I'm more of a metal player (often in a similar style to your clips). To me its kinda like my Plexi and Jim Kelley had a baby because the Kelley also has this magical, vocal 3D things going on, but I guess it's its own thing really

I would love to try a Larry. I ordered actually a PMM, but will be at least another year I'm guessing for it. Really hoping it can send a lot of my current amps packing. I appreciate the invite. If you're ever in New York you're also welcome to try my stuff, although its entirely possible that none of my amps will touch your Larry for high gain stuff, hard to say until I finally hear one. I might possibly move to San Francisco in the future actually, but not sure yet

Well it's more of a horses for courses thing, Larry's definitely have the big authoritative thing old Marshalls have, but it's more of a style difference comparing to wizard, Naylor, etc - they mostly just work really well for my style as a player. Whether a PMM (which, I have one on order too) sends the rest of your amps packin' is more a reflection of that.

That being said, especially in a mix, I would put them up against ANYTHING of that flavor.

A Deliverance II, a Steavens Poundcake mark III, and a few other amps are on my radar as well, but to be fair I could be quite happy (especially doing my original music) with just a Larry.

 

[midnightlaundry]

Not trying to steal dude mans thunder, but here's a D120 with a slightly brighter flavor..

 

[braintheory]

Well it's more of a horses for courses thing, Larry's definitely have the big authoritative thing old Marshalls have, but it's more of a style difference comparing to wizard, Naylor, etc - they mostly just work really well for my style as a player. Whether a PMM (which, I have one on order too) sends the rest of your amps packin' is more a reflection of that.

That being said, especially in a mix, I would put them up against ANYTHING of that flavor.

A Deliverance II, a Steavens Poundcake mark III, and a few other amps are on my radar as well, but to be fair I could be quite happy (especially doing my original music) with just a Larry.

Haha that’s always the problem when a new amp comes and it’s great, but just too different to send anything else packing. That could be the case with the PMM, but still hoping some amps will become obsolete after. The problem is I like every style, it’s more just the level of quality of that style that I’m super picky about. All the amps I have are very different from each other, but I feel all phenomenal at their own thing and when that’s not the case then it’s not a keeper amp for me anymore

 

[DanTravis62]

Haha that’s always the problem when a new amp comes and it’s great, but just too different to send anything else packing. That could be the case with the PMM, but still hoping some amps will become obsolete after. The problem is I like every style, it’s more just the level of quality of that style that I’m super picky about. All the amps I have are very different from each other, but I feel all phenomenal at their own thing and when that’s not the case then it’s not a keeper amp for me anymore

As far as that goes, I can't imagine you not digging the PMM, then. As far as that *style* of amp, I would put mine up against literally anything. And mine's an old one! Without many of the features he's added over the years. The real eye-opening moment wasn't live in the room, though it certainly is impressive in that right; it was how "alive" it sounds with just a single on-axis 57 on recording. No matter how you have the amp set, control-wise, it just always fits perfectly into a mix, and always sounds phenomenal. It's actually unlike any other amp I've ever experienced in that way; EVERY other high gain amp required tweaking and post-eq and mic experimentation to get sounding its best.

If I could find something a bit more modern that's as easy to record (which is why I'm keeping an eye on the D II) I'll have an embarassment of riches as far as recording options.

 

[braintheory]

As far as that goes, I can't imagine you not digging the PMM, then. As far as that *style* of amp, I would put mine up against literally anything. And mine's an old one! Without many of the features he's added over the years. The real eye-opening moment wasn't live in the room, though it certainly is impressive in that right; it was how "alive" it sounds with just a single on-axis 57 on recording. No matter how you have the amp set, control-wise, it just always fits perfectly into a mix, and always sounds phenomenal. It's actually unlike any other amp I've ever experienced in that way; EVERY other high gain amp required tweaking and post-eq and mic experimentation to get sounding its best.

If I could find something a bit more modern that's as easy to record (which is why I'm keeping an eye on the D II) I'll have an embarassment of riches as far as recording options.

Yeah you’re clips sounded amazing. I’ve never heard such strong note definition in those fast palm mutes in any other amp and I could tell you weren’t boosting it either to get that attack and tightness

I know what you mean about wanting a more modern flavor. I want that too, but the problem is finding such an amp with also high quality tone. Imo the Deliverance doesn’t do it for me in that regard. Maybe the PMM will be more modern? Who knows. The high gain amps I’ve kept that are more modern flavored are my Bad Lander and CCV. I’m curious also to try a MI Audio Megalith Beta. Some of the clips I thought sounded very good and modern. Might be up your alley too possibly. I’ve not really tried any modern voiced amp yet that really blew me away, but I do definitely like the modern flavor, just want the 3D-ness, complexity and other stuff to be up to par. I’ve got quite a few guitars and boost pedals that also are modern and very nice voicing, but not as organic or tonally rich. That’s why I was raving about that Tone Specific high outpit pickup I have. It’s very modern, tight and aggressive, but as organic and high quality tonally as the very best pickups out there. I’m very excited for when he’ll finally be able to release it publicly. I don’t wanna be the only one to have them

 

[DanTravis62]

Yeah you’re clips sounded amazing. I’ve never heard such strong note definition in those fast palm mutes in any other amp and I could tell you weren’t boosting it either to get that attack and tightness

I know what you mean about wanting a more modern flavor. I want that too, but the problem is finding such an amp with also high quality tone. Imo the Deliverance doesn’t do it for me in that regard. Maybe the PMM will be more modern? Who knows. The high gain amps I’ve kept that are more modern flavored are my Bad Lander and CCV. I’m curious also to try a MI Audio Megalith Beta. Some of the clips I thought sounded very good and modern. Might be up your alley too possibly. I’ve not really tried any modern voiced amp yet that really blew me away, but I do definitely like the modern flavor, just want the 3D-ness, complexity and other stuff to be up to par. I’ve got quite a few guitars and boost pedals that also are modern and very nice voicing, but not as organic or tonally rich. That’s why I was raving about that Tone Specific high outpit pickup I have. It’s very modern, tight and aggressive, but as organic and high quality tonally as the very best pickups out there. I’m very excited for when he’ll finally be able to release it publicly. I don’t wanna be the only one to have them

The badlander isn't really my speed, but I've heard of and seen the MI stuff, and would really, really like to try it out. I should probably do some homework in the HMAP fb group and see if there is anyone in the PNW with one.

I totally know what you're saying about the "3dness" and complexity. That's one reason I'm not terribly excited about a lot of the more "modern" voiced amps - alot of them seem to lack that.

I would LOVE a CCV, but obviously they are about as hard to come by as a Larry. Especially for lead stuff, CCVs are one of my favorite amps.

Also, I appreciate the kind words about my clips @braintheory

I get really annoyed with the general internet chatter about "no good clips", because what they're really saying is "there isn't an Ola video to spoonfeed me."

And I do NOT have a big recording setup or access to a studio - those clips are me literally tossing a 57 on-axis with no processing straight into Reaper - that fact alone should give you an idea of just how different Larry's stuff is, quality wise.

 

[braintheory]

The badlander isn't really my speed, but I've heard of and seen the MI stuff, and would really, really like to try it out. I should probably do some homework in the HMAP fb group and see if there is anyone in the PNW with one.

I totally know what you're saying about the "3dness" and complexity. That's one reason I'm not terribly excited about a lot of the more "modern" voiced amps - alot of them seem to lack that.

I would LOVE a CCV, but obviously they are about as hard to come by as a Larry. Especially for lead stuff, CCVs are one of my favorite amps.

Also, I appreciate the kind words about my clips @braintheory

I get really annoyed with the general internet chatter about "no good clips", because what they're really saying is "there isn't an Ola video to spoonfeed me."

And I do NOT have a big recording setup or access to a studio - those clips are me literally tossing a 57 on-axis with no processing straight into Reaper - that fact alone should give you an idea of just how different Larry's stuff is, quality wise.

Yeah the Megalith Beta seems promising. Other than that amp I’ve really I think tried and/or owned them all when it comes to modern amps and they almost always get humiliated when AB’ed with what I’ve kept. They can seem quite impressive, modern and heavy at first, but then AB it with my stuff and seems unimpressive comparatively. I’ve either owned and/or AB’ed with KSR’s, Driftwood Purple Nightmare, DAR FBM and Forza, every Engl, Uberschall’s, Herbert, Hagen, almost all the Peters, Fortin Natas and Meshuggah, Fryette Pittbull UL, CL and Deliverance, Baron DHG, Dover, Omega Obsidian, Revv, Diamond’s and plenty others I’m surely forgetting. To me they really sounded nowhere as good as the stuff I’ve kept

The CCV is a unique amp with a certain tightness and attack that I haven’t found yet in anything else I’ve tried and very nice feel

Ola’s channel is just entrainment purposes for me. The gear channels that actually are actually educational to me would be Johan Segeborn and not many others. I’m hoping to try making my own YouTube gear channel. Still working on learning recording and video syncing, but close, although I’m also terribly awkward and not charismatic on video haha, but I think can better with practice

 

[DanTravis62]

Yeah the Megalith Beta seems promising. Other than that amp I’ve really I think tried and/or owned them all when it comes to modern amps and they almost always get humiliated when AB’ed with what I’ve kept. They can seem quite impressive, modern and heavy at first, but then AB it with my stuff and seems unimpressive comparatively. I’ve either owned and/or AB’ed with KSR’s, Driftwood Purple Nightmare, DAR FBM and Forza, every Engl, Uberschall’s, Herbert, Hagen, almost all the Peters, Fortin Natas and Meshuggah, Fryette Pittbull UL, CL and Deliverance, Baron DHG, Dover, Omega Obsidian, Revv, Diamond’s and plenty others I’m surely forgetting. To me they really sounded nowhere as good as the stuff I’ve kept

The CCV is a unique amp with a certain tightness and attack that I haven’t found yet in anything else I’ve tried and very nice feel

Ola’s channel is just entrainment purposes for me. The gear channels that actually are actually educational to me would be Johan Segeborn and not many others. I’m hoping to try making my own YouTube gear channel. Still working on learning recording and video syncing, but close, although I’m also terribly awkward and not charismatic on video haha, but I think can better with practice

Oh man, do I ever know that journey.

Add a dozen engls, bogners, boogies, and a Triamp, and that's like the list of amps I tried, trying to get the Larry sound before getting the Larry ?

I would watch your channel! I've thought about it myself - I have the gear, know-how, and probably could get by on the charisma, but I simply don't have enough *time*. YouTube channels are a LOT of work. I've debated doing an in-depth review of a couple of amps and pedals, but my day job just takes up too much time. So I'm relegated to doing the odd demo or sound sample for forum buddies who are curious about one thing or another.