G-System questions

[The_Kid]

ok, so upon doing some research on the g-system i'm deciding that its more than likely the unit for me. But I have some questions before I would plunk the change down on it.

I am correct that there are 4 loops, as well as a fifth loop that I would connect my JSX head to? I know the effects are routable, but upon reading from the MF site, it seems that TC has dedicated which effects are pre and post previoulsy mentioned JSX. Do they have preset orders as in the pre/post? or is it completely routable? I'm not sure how crazy my routing would ever get, but just looking for some clarity.

I see it has a touch wah section. is that all? or does it have a Wah section that just needs a control pedal? Just curious on this. it doesn't seem to have a wah section, but the mention of the touch wah section kinda begs the question. I assume I would just add my wah pedal to a loop somewhere.

Does the cable come with it so I can rack mount the EFX part of the unit? or is that a separate purchase?

my last thread, someone mentioned four relay switches so using my cable from JerryP should work with this I assume? If not, how can I make sure to take advantage of all three channels on my JSX?

I'm sure there are more questions, but this seems like a good starter batch?

 

[Zorran]

I am correct that there are 4 loops, as well as a fifth loop that I would connect my JSX head to? I know the effects are routable, but upon reading from the MF site, it seems that TC has dedicated which effects are pre and post previoulsy mentioned JSX. Do they have preset orders as in the pre/post? or is it completely routable? I'm not sure how crazy my routing would ever get, but just looking for some clarity.

all 4 loops are pre. the effects arent majorly routable..the most routing you can do is assign the delay to the mod section..so you can have a crazy delay with a phaser on it kinda deal..pretty cool..but totally free routing would of course be ideal.


I see it has a touch wah section. is that all? or does it have a Wah section that just needs a control pedal? Just curious on this. it doesn't seem to have a wah section, but the mention of the touch wah section kinda begs the question. I assume I would just add my wah pedal to a loop somewhere.


the wah can either be touch wah or controllable via an expression pedal. so yeah..you wouldnt need to buy an external wah.


Does the cable come with it so I can rack mount the EFX part of the unit? or is that a separate purchase?

youll need to buy a long cat 5 cable. you can get cat 5 cables with xlr housing...much like the variax cables. they are perfect for it.

my last thread, someone mentioned four relay switches so using my cable from JerryP should work with this I assume? If not, how can I make sure to take advantage of all three channels on my JSX?

im not sure if the jsx has relays..but i use 2 y split cables with my mark IV, and i go between all 3 channels.

 

[The_Kid]

Jerry P made me a cable that I used when I had the G-Major. It switched all three channels in my JSX, but then again I was using the Behringer FCB1010 and the cable connected to that, so...I'm still fuzzy on how all that works out. Peavey uses that 7 pin type midi style kinda cable.

I have a wah, but was curious if I would have to use it with the G-system in a loop, or if the one in the G is good enough to warrant buying an extra controller. Ultimately I want the Dunlop Rack wah, but thats in due time.

 

[diek]

The Wah in the g-system is good, but not great. Good in a live situation. Definitely not to record with. All the loops can be used with a preamp as I have three in use with it. The onboard effects are nice when you don't want to carry a rack full of effects (which I don't). But they're not Eventide H3000/Lexicon PCM quality. I like mine because of all the different things you can do with it and all the compactness of it's all-in-oneness. If you add a DMC GCX or Rocktron patchmate to a G-system, the routing possiblities are unmatchable (albiet something super custom made by CAE)

 

[The_Kid]

I thought I read that one of the loops is made specifically for a preamp use. is that just cause its last of the 4(5) loops and that way all other loop effects would be pre preamp?

how is hte boost function on the G? Is it just a clean level boost? or can you add some dirt as well?

 

[degenaro]

http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/G-System_204_US.pdf

 

[The_Kid]

Thanks Ed!!

I was gonna wait til tomorrow at work to pass the time with that. but I may download it tonight for some "light" reading tomorrow.

I was hoping you would chime in, I know you mention lots that you play with this rig, at least I'm pretty sure its you.

 

[The_Kid]

wow, just read the manual, this thing does more things I wanted it to do, that I didnt even know I wanted it to do.

question about the wah still, I assume that turning the wah on, would be push wah button, then move foot to the expression pedal? OR run cables from the loops on the rack section up front to the wah and back?


Also a questiona bout the relays...If I read it right, it has two relay jacks, and each jack can switch up to a four channel amp, so when I get to the point of wanting to run a dual amp system (JSX & XXX) i can just connect a cable from JerryP to both fron that spot?

 

[Zorran]

question about the wah still, I assume that turning the wah on, would be push wah button, then move foot to the expression pedal?
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correct

Also a questiona bout the relays...If I read it right, it has two relay jacks, and each jack can switch up to a four channel amp, so when I get to the point of wanting to run a dual amp system (JSX & XXX) i can just connect a cable from JerryP to both fron that spot?

yup you should be able to do this too..but i think you can only use 2 channels on each head this way. or what you could do is control one with relays and the other via midi with something like an axess electronics cfx 4.

oh and the boost function on the g is only a level boost. but you can add a bit more gain into your amp via the compressor if you use the 4 cable method.

 

[The_Kid]

i will definatly be using the 4 cable method.

I'm not so concerned about the boost thing, really, thats why I have the blues driver. I get enough level and slight gain boost out of that for my leads. I'm sure I can find a happy medium preset wise for that.

I thought that I saw in the manual that each relay jack can utilize
Switching options are:
– Tip to Ground
– Ring to Ground
– Tip and Ring to Ground
– No Connection
for each of the two connectors.

I would assume that means each jack is capable of a four channel switch, depending on your amp type.

 

[degenaro]

Boost...
The boost is really misnamed...it's the opposite of boost. As in if you have it set up with boost on it'll send whatever you have in terms of gain staging. Ideally 0 dB. Then when you turn the boost off you have a drop in volume by whatever dB you st it to.
I have it set for a 3 dB boost. So this in't a gain boost but rather a volume boost. For dirt I run pedals i the loops.

 

[The_Kid]

yeah I remember that from the G-Major days. They suggest you run all patches at -6db then for the 'boost' function you run them at 0db to get a level boost. I'd still keep my blues driver pedal for leads to add that extra touch of gain to my sound.

Am I correct Ed on the relay switches? I assume the relay jacks react the same as the jacks that are on the G-Major? So the cable from Jerry P would still be fine?

One last question...are there any good dealers on here to order this from instead of doing the GC/MF thing? I've ordered from Rocksolidamps and Northernsoundandlight before with decent results.

 

[The_Kid]

A question on the loops again.

If I'm running a talk box, can I take loop 5 to my normal amp, and loop 4 to my talkbox amp, and just set up patches that have either of those amps being used?

so the send on 4 would go to the amps input, and the send on 5 would go to the JSX input, and the FX send on the JSX would go into 5's return slot? with the Left OUt of the G going to the FX return on the Jsx on to the cab?

If this was a dual amp setup, the right out on the G would just go to the XXX fx return? which really isnt a dual amp i guess, more of just slaving the XXX correct?