G1265s, are they scooped sounding like the G12T75?

[mightyjoeyoungxnj]

Celestion claims they are a forerunner to the 75s. I'm looking basically for higher powered greenback tone with a bit more low end. I really don't like the scooped mids of the 75s.

How would you compare these?

Thanks.

-Joe

 

[guitarslinger]

no.

they have a substantial bottom with a pretty big midrange. I think.

At least, that's how my Weber 1265 sounds.

 

[mightyjoeyoungxnj]

Hehehe it's cool, I'm open to hear anything! I guess it's hard to judge midrange.

I really like the mids of 25 watt greenbacks. The 30 watters sound nice too, but I think I'm looking for more of a 25 watt style midrange.

-Joe

 

[Hollywood]

IF I had a cab with 4 re-issue greenbacks and wanted to run two of them with another speaker, which would be a good fit. Greazy geo said the 65's or the heritage 20's like in the evh-III cabs. 411 please. Thanks.

 

[PeteLaramee]

I would not say they are scooped because they have strong upper mids w/out being spikey. However there is a definite dip in the mid-mids.

 

[mightyjoeyoungxnj]

Hmmm, perhaps I need to play through some!

-Joe

 

[blackba]

Hehehe it's cool, I'm open to hear anything! I guess it's hard to judge midrange.

I really like the mids of 25 watt greenbacks. The 30 watters sound nice too, but I think I'm looking for more of a 25 watt style midrange.

-Joe

It really is pretty hard to judge the mids, IMO. To me, G12H30s have alot of mids, but that may be because they don't seem to have alot of low end to me. I used to think Greenbacks had alot of mids, but I don't think that anymore.

I will say that the 65s are my favorite now. We did a blind test between a 4x12" loaded with the $170 Celestion G12-65s and an identical 4x12" loaded with the $65 WGS ET65s and all of us (three people) preferred the WGS speakers. They all sounded good, but the WGS ET65s had a better tone.

You don't think anni G12H30's have alot of low end I find the G12H30's have along with CL80's the most Low end of any celestions.

The Weber 1265 I had was very solid in the low end and had a very smooth midrange. The Highs were very rolled off. I think the 1265 would work great with a really bright amp.

 

[jasonP]

I think my 75's have more low end then any 30H or CL-80.

 

[jkdsteve]

I think they sound close to a 75. Picture a very smooth sounding 75 without the high-end fizz/treble.

I say this is dead on... I just replaced the 75 with the WGS 65 in my Randall 2x12 and experienced exactly this.

 

[jasonP]

...You don't think anni G12H30's have alot of low end I find the G12H30's have along with CL80's the most Low end of any celestions...

I definitely don't think the G12H30's have alot of low end. To me, they're all mids and highs. I've had them in a 4x12 and two different 2x12" cabs and in all cases, they lacked lows and sounded real annoying to me. I know just about everyone else loves them, though.

I think the G12-65, G12-75, Vintage 30s, etc... all have more lows. But that's just my opinion.

Yeah that is how I felt about the 30H's.. others seem to get great sounds out of them.

 

[blackba]

...You don't think anni G12H30's have alot of low end I find the G12H30's have along with CL80's the most Low end of any celestions...

I definitely don't think the G12H30's have alot of low end. To me, they're all mids and highs. I've had them in a 4x12 and two different 2x12" cabs and in all cases, they lacked lows and sounded real annoying to me. I know just about everyone else loves them, though.

I think the G12-65, G12-75, Vintage 30s, etc... all have more lows. But that's just my opinion.

I tried G12T-75's, V30's and a mixture of the 2 in a little marshall 1922 212 cab. The Cab design is very shallow and it lacks some serious lows. It wasn't till I put some G12H30's in the cab that I finally got some low end out of it. I now have this cab as a 112 and used to run a weber 1265 in there. As a 112 with the 1265 there was some nice low end.

The G12H30's I have in my Vox 212 cab now which is open back and they put out some great low end. Maybe mine are the expecption not the rule.

As for the 1265, I agree that is sounds like the G12T-75 with warmer mids and the highs (which can be harsh with some amps) turned down.

 

[thiswaythatway]

65's are like a darker Greenback with less low end, IMHO of course. I like them in 4x12 but not 2x12's. I had an Avatar 2x12 loaded with 65's and didn't like it all that much, but the 4x12's loaded with them sound nice.

 

[thiswaythatway]

...You don't think anni G12H30's have alot of low end I find the G12H30's have along with CL80's the most Low end of any celestions...

I definitely don't think the G12H30's have alot of low end. To me, they're all mids and highs. I've had them in a 4x12 and two different 2x12" cabs and in all cases, they lacked lows and sounded real annoying to me. I know just about everyone else loves them, though.

I think the G12-65, G12-75, Vintage 30s, etc... all have more lows. But that's just my opinion.

The 2 H30's you sold me sound pretty damm warm to me, smooth with no annoying top end. A lot smoother than V30's IMHO.


To me, i don't care what speaker has the most amount of low end or top end since i dial that in with my amp. The only speakers i had a hard time with were EVM 12L, and that's as far as recording. And 75's sound good to me when the amp is cranked. I've played amps at medium volume levels on 75's and hated what i heard everytime.

 

[Hollywood]

Celestion say's on their website the g-12m greenback has broad mid range attack and restrained top end. They say the 75 has a huge tighly controlled low end with an aggressive mid range and a softend top end. ? I always thought they sounded sharp. ?? Celestion says the gt-65 has a fast attack, tightly controlled low end, precisely tuned mid range and crisp top end, contribute to an aggressive crunch that cuts through the mix, and it has mid range warmth. ???? quoting celestion anyways.

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

IF I had a cab with 4 re-issue greenbacks and wanted to run two of them with another speaker, which would be a good fit. Greazy geo said the 65's or the heritage 20's like in the evh-III cabs. 411 please. Thanks.

i think the 12-75 goes good with the RI's, and even just one 12-75 in the bottom corner with the RI's is pretty cool.



the speakers George mentioned are Top Shelf, but personally i'd stick with something cheaper to go with the RI's, mainly because the RI's are a little louder than the Heritage stuff.


Celestions Chinese stuff, or the Warehouse stuff. i've mixed the RI'S with Green Berets, but out of what i've messed with i like the RI's with just one 12-75.

 

[Hollywood]

Has anyone run 2 75's and 2 v-30's together in a 4-12 before? I have those lying around and could actually put that together. Also, if using a top slant cab responses would be different than a bottom cab. I have both stored extra I could use.

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

Has anyone run 2 75's and 2 v-30's together in a 4-12 before? I have those lying around and could actually put that together. Also, if using a top slant cab responses would be different than a bottom cab. I have both stored exrta I could use.

more like who hasn't run 75's and 30's together?


that is by far the most common speaker mix, and yes it's cool.

 

[Hollywood]

Has anyone run 2 75's and 2 v-30's together in a 4-12 before? I have those lying around and could actually put that together. Also, if using a top slant cab responses would be different than a bottom cab. I have both stored exrta I could use.

more like who hasn't run 75's and 30's together?


that is by far the most common speaker mix, and yes it's cool.

So what do you gain when running those together versus when the cab was say all v-30's ????? This is atleast very interesting huh?

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

Has anyone run 2 75's and 2 v-30's together in a 4-12 before? I have those lying around and could actually put that together. Also, if using a top slant cab responses would be different than a bottom cab. I have both stored exrta I could use.

more like who hasn't run 75's and 30's together?


that is by far the most common speaker mix, and yes it's cool.

So what do you gain when running those together versus when the cab was say all v-30's ????? This is atleast very interesting huh?

more low end, smoother mids, more highs?


fuck if i know?


it will be a hard combo to beat, if you were to A/B another cab against it.


Uberkabs come stock with that mix.

 

[Hollywood]

More low end I believe. I may breakdown and give them a run. Won't cost me anything. Lot of damn screws to take in and out of the cabs though huh?