Gilmour & Waters

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Waters always had that "other side of life" intellectual way with his lyrics. Very good writing abilities that pulled you in and make you look at life and yourself.

But I don't think they would have made it like they did if David hadn't came along and grounded the music.

My last band recorded a CD and when it came to the liner notes I wanted it to just simply say, all songs written and recorded by Core9 (the band). I had written the music for 10 of the 12 songs, along with the lyrics for 3 of those 10. But I know enough about human nature to know it's not worth the b.s. that goes along with each member getting their little "props". I look at it this way, if you are a real member of the band's core, you deserve credit for your playing the material in the studio just like everybody else. I could have purposely wanted to have my name all over the songs, but I wanted it to be a team effort. Well I got overridden by a vote of the band members so everybody got credit for what ever little bit they contributed individually instead of as a group. This is where the internal problems start, when the band stops acting like a unit and focuses on the individual. A great example of this was 1 song our singer wrote the lyrics for, 1 out of the 12 songs we recorded. She presented the lyrics to the band. I started working with the playing members of the band and put together a catching groove that worked great with the lyrics. That one song is probably in the top 5 favorites for me on the CD. We later found out that she went and copyrighted the song in her name prior to the CD so she could have full rights to the song if it took off, never mind that the song would have never been what it is now because of the rest of us putting it together and making it something more than a sheet of paper. That's what happened to Pink Floyd, egos getting in the way of making great music. Same thing with Fleetwood Mac and any other big band that had internal conflicts along the way.
 
Death by Uberschall":w2s21b15 said:
Waters always had that "other side of life" intellectual way with his lyrics. Very good writing abilities that pulled you in and make you look at life and yourself.

But I don't think they would have made it like they did if David hadn't came along and grounded the music.

My last band recorded a CD and when it came to the liner notes I wanted it to just simply say, all songs written and recorded by Core9 (the band). I had written the music for 10 of the 12 songs, along with the lyrics for 3 of those 10. But I know enough about human nature to know it's not worth the b.s. that goes along with each member getting their little "props". I look at it this way, if you are a real member of the band's core, you deserve credit for your playing the material in the studio just like everybody else. I could have purposely wanted to have my name all over the songs, but I wanted it to be a team effort. Well I got overridden by a vote of the band members so everybody got credit for what ever little bit they contributed individually instead of as a group. This is where the internal problems start, when the band stops acting like a unit and focuses on the individual. A great example of this was 1 song our singer wrote the lyrics for, 1 out of the 12 songs we recorded. She presented the lyrics to the band. I started working with the playing members of the band and put together a catching groove that worked great with the lyrics. That one song is probably in the top 5 favorites for me on the CD. We later found out that she went and copyrighted the song in her name prior to the CD so she could have full rights to the song if it took off, never mind that the song would have never been what it is now because of the rest of us putting it together and making it something more than a sheet of paper. That's what happened to Pink Floyd, egos getting in the way of making great music. Same thing with Fleetwood Mac and any other big band that had internal conflicts along the way.


Well said! :thumbsup:
 
You guys do know Waters is doing the Wall tour, right?

I saw Floyd around 86 or 87. I saw Waters on the Pros & Cons (w/Clapton) and Radio tours and again about five years ago. For me the P & C tour was as good as the Floyd show.
 
I saw the austrailian Pink Floyd last year, was pretty much all I would have wanted in a floyd show. I know they aren't the real deal, but they were freaking amazing.

Sorry about the topic drift ;)

Pete
 
amiller":1zn5k610 said:
stephen sawall":1zn5k610 said:
tonmazz":1zn5k610 said:
From everything i've read over the years, it sounds like Waters is a major egotistical Ahole. Sounds like he got a huge head after The Wall. I could be wrong but that seems to be the story. Am I wrong? I think there was a guitar interview recently with him and he came off just like that.

Well I do not know about that ..... the deal was all about money. If your name is on the material that is making money, you are the one making the money. Roger was making a lot more money than the rest of the members. David wanted more songs on the albums, Roger was not about to give up his control and in the end left.

It was Roger's material that made most of the money. Egos of everyone involved was a major part of the problems also. These people spent a fair amount of time in court with several issues.

Look at who's names are on the old material and where.
There are lots of bands that have had similar things happen .... Beatles, AIC, etc .....

Roger like many artist opened the wounds in his soul and exposed them to everyone in his music and many people have related to his experiences ..... most peoples egos would never allow that part of themselves ever to be exposed, let alone for the whole world to see.

When Syd had his change they were all lost ..... it was Roger who got his shit together and made the whole thing move forward. The Pink Floyd story really is Roger's story. He was always the main contributor, after he was gone it was never even close. David is a great guitar player .... but his writing never made near the impact that the body of Roger's work has.

From what I've read recently it's a lot more complex than that. Walters wanted to use Pink Floyd as a vehicle to put forth his political point of view and Gilmour wanted to push the commercial aspect of Floyd. In fact, The Final Cut was a direct stab at the Queen of England for invading the Fauklands. Further, Wright had a huge cocaine addition and marital issues that took him out of the game...Walters insisted he be fired. Gilmour invited Walters to join them on the Momentary Lapse of Reason tour but Walters refused because he wanted Floyd to fail...he once remarked that Pink Floyd would fail because he was no longer in the band. And yes, Walters did contribute the greater share of the lyrics. Mason was also having marital issues that more or less side lined him.

When the group got back together for the Live Aid benefit the rehearsals were less than fun. Gilmour wanted to do the songs as they were but Walters wanted to change them and do his altered version of them. Gilmour decided right then and there that he wanted nothing to do with the old wounds.

I think the band broke up because of a whole range of issues and I think they will not get back together for the same reasons. Why open old wounds at this point?

Well that covers some of it .... but it does get much more complex. To be honest I am very surprised Dave and Roger ever talked again.

I have seen Pink Floyd many times .... I feel Rogers last tour where he did all of Dark Side of the Moon was the best sound / show. I well be seeing him in Dec when he does the Wall. I hate the sound in the Tacoma Dome.

All bands I have been in for some time .... all members get equal credit on all work. One guy left because of this policy ..... he sees his music as his "children". I write almost all the material in most of the bands I have worked in.
 
amiller":aw63lf6c said:
Death by Uberschall":aw63lf6c said:
Waters always had that "other side of life" intellectual way with his lyrics. Very good writing abilities that pulled you in and make you look at life and yourself.

But I don't think they would have made it like they did if David hadn't came along and grounded the music.

My last band recorded a CD and when it came to the liner notes I wanted it to just simply say, all songs written and recorded by Core9 (the band). I had written the music for 10 of the 12 songs, along with the lyrics for 3 of those 10. But I know enough about human nature to know it's not worth the b.s. that goes along with each member getting their little "props". I look at it this way, if you are a real member of the band's core, you deserve credit for your playing the material in the studio just like everybody else. I could have purposely wanted to have my name all over the songs, but I wanted it to be a team effort. Well I got overridden by a vote of the band members so everybody got credit for what ever little bit they contributed individually instead of as a group. This is where the internal problems start, when the band stops acting like a unit and focuses on the individual. A great example of this was 1 song our singer wrote the lyrics for, 1 out of the 12 songs we recorded. She presented the lyrics to the band. I started working with the playing members of the band and put together a catching groove that worked great with the lyrics. That one song is probably in the top 5 favorites for me on the CD. We later found out that she went and copyrighted the song in her name prior to the CD so she could have full rights to the song if it took off, never mind that the song would have never been what it is now because of the rest of us putting it together and making it something more than a sheet of paper. That's what happened to Pink Floyd, egos getting in the way of making great music. Same thing with Fleetwood Mac and any other big band that had internal conflicts along the way.


Well said! :thumbsup:


indeed. sad to hear but interesting read that kinda puts it in perspective in general.
 
amiller":jmi998lh said:
In fact, The Final Cut was a direct stab at the Queen of England for invading the Fauklands.

Man, there's a lot of truth in what you said, it seems you know the floyd story pretty inside out! But this quote slayed me. I'm imagining the queen, a little old lady with corgies in tow, driving a battleship aground on the falkland isles and charging up the muddy slopes towards the Argentineans. :rock:

Go read up on the Falkland war. :D

Also it's Roger Waters, not Walters. ;)
 
i read it was pretty much gilmour towards the end that didnt want the tour either and that he was focusing on his solo album and other things in life
 
I see Gilmour well be doing Comfortably Numb on one show with Waters on his tour.
 
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