Gmajor II and Ground Control Problem....

[Mizati20]

Hey fellas, gonna do my best to explain my problem, so here goes....

I finally have my rig mostly complete and up and running the way I want, I have my Ground Control Pro setup in the 4 preset mode, leaving the top 8 buttons to be used for CC commands, I have the GCP and the Gmajor talking just fine.

The last hurdle I have to tackle is setting the CC commands, for example: I've learned how to program button 1 to turn on a Reverb effect, the problem is however.... it's just some random ass reverb setting? Same thing with say....chorus, if I want button 2 to turn on a chorus setting, I can do so, but again it is just some random chorus preset that I don't know how to change.

So there it is, how do I customize the effect that is turned on via CC commands?

Hope I explained that correctly, and forgive me in advance if this is an extremely stupid question, I'm actually pretty proud of myself, I've figured out the entire rig on my own, but this one has me stumped....

Thanks in advance fellas!

 

[mboogman]

It sounds like what you need to do is create your patches with the reverb, chorus, etc. settings that you want. When you call up a preset on the GM II, you're also calling up all the effects that aren't turned on as well, with their stored settings. This is how I run my Lexicon MPX G2. I create basic patches, with the effects settings that I want to turn on and off. Since I use basically the same reverb settings across most of my patches, I just store the same setting in all my patches, and then turn it on from the GCP when I want it, if it's not already on by default in a given patch.

 

[Mark Day]

Get a pen and paper and decide which CC # for ea GMajor function and which F/S on the GCP you want it to correspond to.
eg Switch 1 on GCP to bypass Delay..CC20 write this down for ea function you want to bypass. Make sure it is NOT the same CC's your amp uses. IT won't matter really as long as the amp is set to talk on a different midi ch but it could avoid troubleshooting later.

You have to setup the Ground Control first. Hit the 2 EDIT buttons at the same time to get into SETUP.
Put in the Device Name and Midi CH # you want it to talk to. eg: G Major CH 2...setup you amp to be CH 1 if you are switching that by midi. This is in the manual and the first thing you should do.

So now you have your and G Major setup in the GCP to talk on the midi channels you want. Make sure the GMajor is set to Midi CH 2 in the G Major.

Setup your CC's on the GCP IA switches. Your still in SETUP MODE on the GCP so go to IA setup (switch 6).
Hit button 4 until 1.CH2 CTL000 comes up then hit button 2 to make the 000 flash change the 000 to whatever CC you want for IA button 1(eg IA 1 will turn on/off the delay).

Do this for each IA. The Bank switches will get you to each IA number in this setup mode.

Once you are done this part you need to decide which preset on the GMajor you want for each PGM button on the GCP (The BIG number 1-4 at the bottom of the GCP.
Get out of SETUP MODE, by hitting on e of the EDIT buttons and then BIG 4 for YES.

HIT Big Button 1 the GCP will be on Prest 1. HOLD down one of the EDIT buttons. Your Device Name will come up, choose the GMajor on CH 2. Put in the PGM # for the prst you want on the G Major. Lets say prest 10. Your G Major should have changed to preset 10.

Hit the EDIT button and make sure the G Major is on preset 1 (Big Button 1).
Now your GMajor will be on Preset 10.

Now we setup the Gmajor Mods for bypassing the different FX.

Go to the MOD setup on the Gmajor and pick the effect you want to bypass with IA 1 on the GCP (remember these are the CC's you wrote down earlier).
Do the learn thing and hit #1 I/A on the GCP. Repeat for each effect and I/A that you already setup on the GCP.

Once you do the I/A's and the GMajor mods that part is done.

What you have to understand is that now you need to program ea preset on the GCP.

All midi units need to be told what to do. This includes your amp. Within each preset on the GCP (the BIG 1-4 buttons at the bottom) you need to setup which midi program change number goes to the amp and the GMajor. Now that you want I/A's to turn off/on the FX within the GMaj via CC's so when you go to ea preset(GCP) those I/A's need to be ON or OFF depending what you want within ea GCP preset.

This is all laid ouit in the GCP manual. This is considered INITIAL SETUP. Unfortunately we need to read the manuals...lol...YUCK. Everything that you need to do is in the manual.

Post here if you don't understand and we can arrange a phone call when you are at your rig.

You need to do some planning as far as want you want to do with your rig.

For me I have the I/A's setup to turn loops on/off on my GCX, other I/A's to do ch switching on my amp through the GCX and 1 setup to do a midi CC to my GMajor for spillover mods that I have setup. Everyone`s rig is different.

Remember that by default the 4 preset buttons on the GCP will send out a pgm change so you need to tell it what number and what midi ch. So you need to do the INITIAL SETUP to configure the DEVICES.

This may sound overwhelming but I assure you once you get your head around it, it is very logical and simple to do

Mark

 

[Mark Day]

Mark YOU are a rockstar dude! That was one of te best explanations ever!

Lol, I'm half asleep, I hope it makes some sort of sense??
Lots of details are missed but I know he knows how to do the "Learn" thing on the GMajor already.

Mark

 

[Mizati20]

Mark your awesome man, I have the board setup to do everything I want. But when I setup say CC#80 on my GCP to turn on Reverb on the Gmajor II.... it's just some random reverb. Trying to figure out how to call up customized effects via CC.

I'm actually going to completely start over and see if that helps I'll be in touch. You guys are awesome!!

 

[Mark Day]

Mark your awesome man, I have the board setup to do everything I want. But when I setup say CC#80 on my GCP to turn on Reverb on the Gmajor II.... it's just some random reverb. Trying to figure out how to call up customized effects via CC.

I'm actually going to completely start over and see if that helps I'll be in touch. You guys are awesome!!

It sounds like it is sending the Gmaj a PGM change somehow.

Mark

 

[Mizati20]

Mark your awesome man, I have the board setup to do everything I want. But when I setup say CC#80 on my GCP to turn on Reverb on the Gmajor II.... it's just some random reverb. Trying to figure out how to call up customized effects via CC.

I'm actually going to completely start over and see if that helps I'll be in touch. You guys are awesome!!

It sounds like it is sending the Gmaj a PGM change somehow.

Mark

No it's working correctly, it doesn't change patches, the small little light on the Reverb button turns on, and I stay on the whatever patch I am currently on, I just don't understand how to edit this random Reverb that is turning on.

Like when I make CC#81 turn on chorus, it's the super fast almost phaser sounding chorus, I don't know how to edit it to a chorus of my liking.... understand what I'm saying?

Bleh...

 

[Mark Day]

Mark your awesome man, I have the board setup to do everything I want. But when I setup say CC#80 on my GCP to turn on Reverb on the Gmajor II.... it's just some random reverb. Trying to figure out how to call up customized effects via CC.

I'm actually going to completely start over and see if that helps I'll be in touch. You guys are awesome!!

It sounds like it is sending the Gmaj a PGM change somehow.

Mark

No it's working correctly, it doesn't change patches, the small little light on the Reverb button turns on, and I stay on the whatever patch I am currently on, I just don't understand how to edit this random Reverb that is turning on.

Like when I make CC#81 turn on chorus, it's the super fast almost phaser sounding chorus, I don't know how to edit it to a chorus of my liking.... understand what I'm saying?

Bleh...

That is strange. I would probably start with a reset of both units.

 

[Mizati20]

I reset both units... did everything you say, and have everything running perfectly.... I have IA #1 turning on delay on the Gmajor II.... but it's not a patch, the light for "delay" just turns on on the front of the Gmajor II, how do I edit the delay that I want to have come on when I use IA #1.... that make sense now? Because it's not calling up a patch, it's just turning on a delay like its supposed to....

 

[mboogman]

Call up your preset you want to edit, turn on the Reverb, (chorus, etc.) edit the reverb (effect) to be what you want, use the IA to turn the reverb back off, and then store the preset on the GM II. That should take care of it.

 

[Mark Day]

I reset both units... did everything you say, and have everything running perfectly.... I have IA #1 turning on delay on the Gmajor II.... but it's not a patch, the light for "delay" just turns on on the front of the Gmajor II, how do I edit the delay that I want to have come on when I use IA #1.... that make sense now? Because it's not calling up a patch, it's just turning on a delay like its supposed to....

You need to assign the preset that you want up within the preset on the GCP (BIG BUTTONS 1-4).

So call up preset 1 on GCP (BIG BUTTON 1). Turn on whatever I/A's you want to be own when you go to GCP Preset 1. Hold the EDIT button on the GCP it should flash the Device and PRG number on the screen, choose the GMajor Device you setup earlier in INITIAL SETUP. Choose the preset you want the G Major to be on FROM THE GCP then hit EDIT and save.

Go to PRESET 1 on the GCP this will NOW switch the G Major to the correct preset you assigned. You have to tell the Gmajor what preset you want it on by assigning it within EACH GCP preset.

Mark

Let me know if you understand this.

You will notice that whatever GCP preset you choose it will change the GMajor to a different preset?

 

[Mizati20]

Call up your preset you want to edit, turn on the Reverb, (chorus, etc.) edit the reverb (effect) to be what you want, use the IA to turn the reverb back off, and then store the preset on the GM II. That should take care of it.

WOOT! I got it.... kind of a weird way of going about things, but I understand now....

And Mark, you actually helped me with tons of shit that I didn't even know i had wrong, I swear I feel like I owe you payment for some of the advice you've given me...

 

[mboogman]

You'll need to save that chorus sound to all your G Major presets then. that way, it's always waiting to be turned on, regardless of what preset you're on. The CC's from the GCP are turning effects blocks on and off inside of a preset in the G Major, not actually turning a particular effect on and off. I think that's what's causing the confusion.

EDIT: See that you figured it out.

 

[hmcconnell]

My problem is that the CC's from the GCP don't change anything on the Gmjr. For example... I set IA button #1 to CC#1 on GCP, then set the reverb on the Gmjr to cc1. Nothing happens. The program changes work (big 1-4 buttons), but thats it.

Any idea what I am doing wrong?

 

[sick pickle]

Mark,

Are you still around? If so I'd like to ask you a question via PM!