Gower Rockmonster vs. Killer Kali ++

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Hey y'all, I made a little video comparing my two Gower-modded amps. The first is a Marshall 1959 SLP reissue with the Gower Rockmonster mod. The second is a Marshall JCM 800 2203x reissue with the Gower Killer Kali ++ mod. There's timestamps in the video for each amp plus setup and my thoughts. This isn't intended to be a scientific experiment, just a fun, casual comparison of the two.



My thoughts are at the end of the video but in sum: while these two amps share a similar DNA, they're pretty different in how they operate and how they sounded in the room.

The Rockmonster has this massive wall of sound that just fills the entire room. I think it's a great amp in a band where you're the only guitarist because its sound is so big. It is also much simpler to get great tones out of: just plug in, set everything halfway and you're 90% of the way there. Just tweak to taste. However, it doesn't clean up as well as the KK when you roll the volume knob back and it can't do lower gain tones as well as the KK. The Rockmonster also has more gain than the KK, if that matters to you. But if you want something straightforward, with a thick sound that just simply rocks, the Rockmonster fits the bill. The mod is named very aptly!

The Killer Kali ++ is a much leaner and more versatile amp, but it's also more complicated. There's more knobs and switches on this one and the two push/pull bright switches and the "Feel" knob have a lot to do with your sound. By default, it's a mid-gain, fairly bright amp that cuts through the mix like a razor. I think this is an awesome amp for solos, a band with two guitarists, or a band that has a lot of low end as part of its sound. That said, the KK can have a huge sound, but you'll likely have to engage the Violence mode (additional gain stage) and spend some time with the Depth and Thump knobs to get a huge sound similar to the Rockmonster. Overall, the KK is brighter and more versatile than the Rockmonster, but it's also more complicated.

I think they can be dialed in almost the same if you try, though. For example, when I go back and forth between the two listening to the "Enter Sandman" tone, they sound almost identical on the recording. (I'm fairly impressed that I did that completely by ear, in the moment.) However, in the room the two amps consistently sounded a bit different to me: the Rockmonster was naturally more gainy and fuller and the KK was brighter and more cutting.

What do you think? I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm also happy to answer any questions. Cheers.
 
Excellent demo. Definitely prefer the Rockmonster (both sound great, though).
 
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I actually stumbled on this video on youtube earlier before seeing this post. I watched the whole thing. Really nice job. Dan shipped my KK++ today and I was looking for what to expect. Out of curiosity, I know the glass control is negative feedback, how much of a difference does that control make in thinning out saturation/tightening the amp?
 
Both sounded great. I'd pick the Rockmonster because I'm a sucker for that style of headshell. :D
 
I actually stumbled on this video on youtube earlier before seeing this post. I watched the whole thing. Really nice job. Dan shipped my KK++ today and I was looking for what to expect. Out of curiosity, I know the glass control is negative feedback, how much of a difference does that control make in thinning out saturation/tightening the amp?
The glass control is in the NFB but it only affects the top end and not the overall amount of power section damping. Think of it as a second presence control that has its focus higher up in the fizz/glass range.
 
The glass control is in the NFB but it only affects the top end and not the overall amount of power section damping. Think of it as a second presence control that has its focus higher up in the fizz/glass range.
That's really helpful, thank you. Can you tell me about how the Feel control interacts with the amp as well?
 
That's really helpful, thank you. Can you tell me about how the Feel control interacts with the amp as well?
The "Feel" control is one of my most frequently used and, in my opinion, best features of the KK. What it effectively does is tighten up the low end and make the amp less saggy. So if you want more of that vintage sag, you can just raise the feel control and you'll feel the amp loosen up, especially in the low end. In the alternative, if you have a really cool tone dialed in but it's a little boomy or tracking slowly, you can lower the Feel control and -- zzzzzippppp -- the amp just tightens up and becomes much punchier and more percussive. Definitely one of the cooler things on the KK.
 
I actually stumbled on this video on youtube earlier before seeing this post. I watched the whole thing. Really nice job. Dan shipped my KK++ today and I was looking for what to expect. Out of curiosity, I know the glass control is negative feedback, how much of a difference does that control make in thinning out saturation/tightening the amp?
The Glass control doesn't really tighten the amp. As @Nolly said, it affects the top end of the amp and makes it a little more spiky/fizzy. I know that sounds odd but sometimes you actually might want that, especially if you don't have the bright caps pulled.
 
Excellent demo. Definitely prefer the Rockmonster (both sound great, though).
To me, the Rockmonster also has different, more pushed mids. The KK always feels a little more scooped to me. It could be the platforms, though: Plexis naturally have more mids and 800s are naturally a little more scooped.
 
That's really helpful, thank you. Can you tell me about how the Feel control interacts with the amp as well?

Hellzington has responded with his experiences, I'll just add that basically with the Feel knob Dan has given you control over the amount of "drag" on the guitar signal right at the front of the circuit, which allows you to adjust the response from dark and sluggish (cool for leads or sludgier tones especially) up to very quick and bright. This is usually a fixed value that amp designers decide upon and can define a lot of people's perception of how an amp feels to play, so it's awesome that Dan's mod lets you toy around with that.

Basically I view the feel and glass controls primarily as parameters to optimise the amp response and brightness to match the guitar and cab respectively.
 
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Viva la Gower!!
It's rare that a piece of gear lives up to the hype but Dan's amps are truly the real deal. I had offers today to buy both of these amps that I turned down. I just can't sell them. They're that good.
 
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Love my Kali. Dan is the best. If he was in the US, I'd have a couple more
 
I dig every clip I’ve ever heard of any of Dan’s amps. And of course, his playing is nothing short of stellar. I’d love to own a Gower some day.
 
Rockmonster ftw ! ... your description was spot on. Fills the room with awesomeness... more so than the kk
 
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